Referee Shortages

[erby ruin]

Just a quick topic to ask if this is a one off that there is a ref shortage it is this likely to happen every week as division 5 could be a ling season, I understand hard to supply referees and i couldn't do job but premier teams,have played up to 4 games and div 5 teams up to 2, should div 5 not get priority so teams have level games played??

Just an opinion and would like to see clubs opinion and what rules are from committee regarding which games get priority in these cases

[yeww]

Has there been a fixture cancelled because of a shortage of refs?

[Guest]

Gwinear vs Camborne Park. Think ref has been told to ref a higher league game so we now have no ref for this fixture :/

[erby ruin]

Currently gwinear vs camborne park without a ref and trevenson seconds vs ludgvan only just got a ref and been told other games in div 5 affected but not sure which ones

[wally6]

Duchy 3 callington v calstock res off no ref.

[riggins74]

No wonder on what happened at Trevassack park last Monday, heard the reports. Trelawney league have asked Hayle for their version, ref has forwarded his report to the league.

[natogreenvanman]

The basic answer is no! Higher leagues should have higher priority for refs and if there aren't enough refs to go around the lower leagues have to go without. harsh but true.

[gaffer]

I know a lot of refs are still playing cricket

[riggins74]

Thst will always be the case im afraid, the ref on Monday unfortunately had to be escorted to his car, he wanted to call the Police, but Hayle officials did thier own policing and controlled the situation admirable.

[stokefan1]

Thst will always be the case im afraid, the ref on Monday unfortunately had to be escorted to his car, he wanted to call the Police, but Hayle officials did thier own policing and controlled the situation admirable.

flipping heck! any idea what went on? referees get put in that position and feel for there own safety theres gonna be more going out of the game than coming in! what happens on pitch stays on pitch :D

[riggins74]

I was shocked to hear what went on, the league will deal with this but doesnt put Marazion in a great light.

[Deadcert]

Shocked to hear what went on,I take it you was,nt there? therefore your other posts regarding the ref wanting to call the police, Hayle dealing with the situation admirably and escorting the ref to his car are all hearsay. my advice is let the people concerned deal with it or the post will get like the St Just V St Ives combo game where little snipits were posted to make the teams involved look worse than they actually were.

[jules]

praze res. vs redruth athletic. trelawny div 4. just been told our ref has been taken to ref a higher league game

[skyblueref]

Shocked to hear what went on,I take it you was,nt there? therefore your other posts regarding the ref wanting to call the police, Hayle dealing with the situation admirably and escorting the ref to his car are all hearsay. my advice is let the people concerned deal with it or the post will get like the St Just V St Ives combo game where little snipits were posted to make the teams involved look worse than they actually were.

I think Reno will be well informed as to what went on, being 1st team Manager and someone who cares about all the Hayle sides.

[riggins74]

I can categorically confirm that this went on deadcert, our Chairman overheard the incident which was escalated to our committee meeting on Wednesday evening. I am commenting on why their are so little refs around, the actions that were undertaken by Marazion Blues is totally unacceptable.

These people give up their time for us to enjoy the game.

[Deadcert]

My point really being is that unless you have "never" done anything wrong in football, should you really make such comments?

On this occasion you all might be exactly right on what happened,but be sure your next "mistake" big or small will hit the headlines on here.

[riggins74]

Dead cert we are talking about the lack of refs in the leagues. I'm commenting on a situation that happened days ago not years, please stay on topic as your post becomes totally irrelevant to this subject. The league will inwardly digest the situation and I have complete confidence that they will deal with the problem. It's not Hayle's FC issue but I commend the way we conducted ourselves in a very volatile position. Did you hear the ref's report?

[erby ruin]

No wonder we don't have refs when we have twats like that in the game.

Sorry for strong words, but a minority is spoiling it for the majority

[Deadcert]

No, but have strayed from topic, can see your point, no offence to you or your club. wish you the best for the rest of season

Removed part of my last post shouldn,t have named clubs or players

[kernow king]

mullion vs fourlanes off div 4 NO REF............

[Guest]

Embarrassing. Just heard what happened... Team involved should be ashamed of themselves! No wonder there's a bloody shortage!!!

[yeww]

with out refs we cant play, they deserve more respect

[Guest BenTheYeti]

Not heard anything about any of this, so staying well clear with the biggest stick I can find.. but on the topic of the thread.. we were told on Monday that there was no ref for our game as he'd pulled out sick/ill/injured, but that Paul Murphy would try his hardest to get us a ref. Spoke to him on Thursday morning and we had been given a ref.

It's of my understanding that the situation arose firstly because there is a shortage of refs "this week" and also, because we're in a higher division (2), we get priority. So we've obviously picked up a ref from a lower division game.

My personal opinion is that if a match loses a ref for whatever reason (illness, holiday etc), that the game should stay postponed.. really doesn't seem fair on the other teams in what is essentially, just one big football community, to miss out just cos we play in a different division.

[riggins74]

So Dave, you defended Marazion in a past thread about bashing them, now this has prevailed surely this cannot be condemed where ref and officals are abused in this manner.

[riggins74]

Ben the yeti!!! Really good post it's seems such a shame that other teams spoil it for clubs that respect the officials, clubs need to wake up and smell the coffee. No ref no game. It will get worst trust me. Managers and committee’s need to escalate to their players that not to abuse CCFA officials, end of!!!

[cornishman64]

Ben the yeti!!! Really good post it's seems such a shame that lower teams spoil it for clubs that respect the officials, clubs need to wake up and smell the coffee. No ref no game. It will get worst trust me. Managers and committee’s need to escalate to their players that not to abuse CCFA officials, end of!!!

riggings74 i think part off ur post is a bit harsh why do lower teams spoil it ?

[cornishman64]

Just a quick topic to ask if this is a one off that there is a ref shortage it is this likely to happen every week as division 5 could be a ling season, I understand hard to supply referees and i couldn't do job but premier teams,have played up to 4 games and div 5 teams up to 2, should div 5 not get priority so teams have level games played??

Just an opinion and would like to see clubs opinion and what rules are from committee regarding which games get priority in these cases

i think div5 started a bitter later thats why they have only played 2 games with the ref thing may be div3/4/5 should take the fair share off the refs being taken 2 do higher games if taken from a div that div would not finsh the season

[cornish cream]

This is an ongoing problem and hasn't it been mentioned in previous yrs that lower div clubs get a club member to take a ref course. This way each team can do half each and would solve the shortage. On topic of respect to officials think its time rugby style is brought in No nonsense

[simmo147]

I would like to start by saying I have in the past been guilty of misconduct & abuse of officials. The CCFA cured this by giving me 3 month ban from ALL football.(rightly so) However it is not problem solely for lower division teams, In a pre-season game against a much higher division team I was forced to pay the ref at half-time and allow him to go, due to the absolutely outragous conduct of the opposition. As a club we were asked by the League for our comments, heard nothing since. The Ref recieved almost a £1 a minute and deserved every penny. I would also not be supprised if he said this is never worth it, would not blame him. I for one try to curb the conduct of self and all around me at matches. 99% of refs do thier best, it must me said however we clean up our act then that 1% need to do the same as do club linesman. Not being perfect I hope I never again abuse an official

[le boss]

Ben the yeti!!! Really good post it's seems such a shame that lower teams spoil it for clubs that respect the officials, clubs need to wake up and smell the coffee. No ref no game. It will get worst trust me. Managers and committee’s need to escalate to their players that not to abuse CCFA officials, end of!!!

You are way off the mark!! Having been in football for ver 30 years, one thing has remained constant - the higher the standard, the more abuse towards players and officials from both players and managers there is - players get away with more swearing etc in the higher leagues - you only have to watch the TV. It is not the lower league clubs it is ALL clubs and they ALL take their lead from the pros

[simmo147]

Thought thats what I said, It was the team from the higher division that abused the Ref.

[Guest]

I defended Marazion for the stick they were getting in regards too their reserve "superstars" and the constant questions and digging... But certainly not defending their div 4 side when you hear stuff like this. The actions of those players on that day seems it could be one of the ingredients in this referee shortage situation :/

[Guest]

This is an ongoing problem and hasn't it been mentioned in previous yrs that lower div clubs get a club member to take a ref course. This way each team can do half each and would solve the shortage. On topic of respect to officials think its time rugby style is brought in No nonsense

Would the league pay for this though? I certainly don't want to ref and will not be willing to pay for the course out of my own money, but I'd do it so my teammates coud have a game of football.

[Guest BenTheYeti]

Maybe we should clone Mike Carter...

[S Abbo]

Big up mike carter !!

And at least its not marazion reserves bashing .. ?

[cornish cream]

This is an ongoing problem and hasn't it been mentioned in previous yrs that lower div clubs get a club member to take a ref course. This way each team can do half each and would solve the shortage. On topic of respect to officials think its time rugby style is brought in No nonsense

Would the league pay for this though? I certainly don't want to ref and will not be willing to pay for the course out of my own money, but I'd do it so my teammates coud have a game of football.

Would be a topic for the league agm. I only say this as remember the days when Mr eddy was involved at titans and would ref. If every club had an qualified official it would put a stop to the on going problem as every wk a game suffers with lack of officials. Maybe then with recognised faces officiating a game the respect from players would improve.

[Guest BenTheYeti]

This is an ongoing problem and hasn't it been mentioned in previous yrs that lower div clubs get a club member to take a ref course. This way each team can do half each and would solve the shortage. On topic of respect to officials think its time rugby style is brought in No nonsense

Would the league pay for this though? I certainly don't want to ref and will not be willing to pay for the course out of my own money, but I'd do it so my teammates coud have a game of football.

Would be a topic for the league agm. I only say this as remember the days when Mr eddy was involved at titans and would ref. If every club had an qualified official it would put a stop to the on going problem as every wk a game suffers with lack of officials. Maybe then with recognised faces officiating a game the respect from players would improve.

Although I do like the idea of having qualified officials within each club.. how often do linesmen get shouted at and accused of cheating each week, and it is hard to run the line without any bias towards your own team. So I'd imagine actually officiating the match itself would magnify this problem somewhat.. would certainly boost the number of posts on the forum..

[Cloughie]

Thst will always be the case im afraid, the ref on Monday unfortunately had to be escorted to his car, he wanted to call the Police, but Hayle officials did thier own policing and controlled the situation admirable.

[Cloughie]

This is disgusting,and totally out of order.

No person should be subjected to such threatening behaviour over a football match.

No matter how good or bad the person has performed.

[cornish cream]

This is an ongoing problem and hasn't it been mentioned in previous yrs that lower div clubs get a club member to take a ref course. This way each team can do half each and would solve the shortage. On topic of respect to officials think its time rugby style is brought in No nonsense

Would the league pay for this though? I certainly don't want to ref and will not be willing to pay for the course out of my own money, but I'd do it so my teammates coud have a game of football.

Would be a topic for the league agm. I only say this as remember the days when Mr eddy was involved at titans and would ref. If every club had an qualified official it would put a stop to the on going problem as every wk a game suffers with lack of officials. Maybe then with recognised faces officiating a game the respect from players would improve.

Although I do like the idea of having qualified officials within each club.. how often do linesmen get shouted at and accused of cheating each week, and it is hard to run the line without any bias towards your own team. So I'd imagine actually officiating the match itself would magnify this problem somewhat.. would certainly boost the number of posts on the forum..

Both teams have a qualified official they can do a half each. End of day teams moan when they don't play due to no ref so have to make do with what is available.

[cornishteddyboy]

Ben the yeti!!! Really good post it's seems such a shame that lower teams spoil it for clubs that respect the officials, clubs need to wake up and smell the coffee. No ref no game. It will get worst trust me. Managers and committee’s need to escalate to their players that not to abuse CCFA officials, end of!!!

You are way off the mark!! Having been in football for ver 30 years, one thing has remained constant - the higher the standard, the more abuse towards players and officials from both players and managers there is - players get away with more swearing etc in the higher leagues - you only have to watch the TV. It is not the lower league clubs it is ALL clubs and they ALL take their lead from the pros

Totally true.

Having watch my team Pz in the combo for donkeys years I have seen many instances of abuse to the referee from all sides including my own, from both off and on the pitch.

I know we have only played 4 games so far in the Trelawney Premier but the attitude towards the refs from the sides we have met, Mousehole, Gwinear, Threemilestone and Redruth United has been superb and I can't remember any of our lads having a go either.

I was always told it was rougher and tougher in Junior football but so far it is proving to be a most enjoyable journey through the league. I only wish the results were going our way!

I can tell you that there is a real shortage of referees in the Combo. I was told that there were only 12 that are of the level to officiate their games and of course with the Senior Cup this weekend plus a full fixture list for all local leagues there are not enough referees to go around.

Why don't clubs push their more senior players onto referees courses? A bit of time and expense to go on the course but once qualified that person would make up the cost of the course in a few games and wil help reduce this shortage of officials.

[riggins74]

Sorry guys i have edited my post, it was meant to read other not lower, that would have been very disrespectful of me no offence attended at all.

[Cornish-Ref]

For information - there is a shortage of referee's this year so games will be cancelled. Give referee's more respect and more might take the course, but until that date, show no respect on the pitch and you'll being shopping on Saturdays.......... :excl:

[erby ruin]

For information - there is a shortage of referee's this year so games will be cancelled. Give referee's more respect and more might take the course, but until that date, show no respect on the pitch and you'll being shopping on Saturdays..........

Well said, topic wasn't a go at referees as im one myself but just needed no what situation was, without the men in the middle, there would be no games

[dobbie]

This is an ongoing problem and hasn't it been mentioned in previous yrs that lower div clubs get a club member to take a ref course. This way each team can do half each and would solve the shortage. On topic of respect to officials think its time rugby style is brought in No nonsense

Would the league pay for this though? I certainly don't want to ref and will not be willing to pay for the course out of my own money, but I'd do it so my teammates coud have a game of football.

Would be a topic for the league agm. I only say this as remember the days when Mr eddy was involved at titans and would ref. If every club had an qualified official it would put a stop to the on going problem as every wk a game suffers with lack of officials. Maybe then with recognised faces officiating a game the respect from players would improve.

Although I do like the idea of having qualified officials within each club.. how often do linesmen get shouted at and accused of cheating each week, and it is hard to run the line without any bias towards your own team. So I'd imagine actually officiating the match itself would magnify this problem somewhat.. would certainly boost the number of posts on the forum..

This is an ongoing problem and hasn't it been mentioned in previous yrs that lower div clubs get a club member to take a ref course. This way each team can do half each and would solve the shortage. On topic of respect to officials think its time rugby style is brought in No nonsense

Would the league pay for this though? I certainly don't want to ref and will not be willing to pay for the course out of my own money, but I'd do it so my teammates coud have a game of football.

Would be a topic for the league agm. I only say this as remember the days when Mr eddy was involved at titans and would ref. If every club had an qualified official it would put a stop to the on going problem as every wk a game suffers with lack of officials. Maybe then with recognised faces officiating a game the respect from players would improve.

Although I do like the idea of having qualified officials within each club.. how often do linesmen get shouted at and accused of cheating each week, and it is hard to run the line without any bias towards your own team. So I'd imagine actually officiating the match itself would magnify this problem somewhat.. would certainly boost the number of posts on the forum..

How is it hard to run the line without any bias towards your own team??

[Cornish-Ref]

This is an ongoing problem and hasn't it been mentioned in previous yrs that lower div clubs get a club member to take a ref course. This way each team can do half each and would solve the shortage. On topic of respect to officials think its time rugby style is brought in No nonsense

Would the league pay for this though? I certainly don't want to ref and will not be willing to pay for the course out of my own money, but I'd do it so my teammates coud have a game of football.

Would be a topic for the league agm. I only say this as remember the days when Mr eddy was involved at titans and would ref. If every club had an qualified official it would put a stop to the on going problem as every wk a game suffers with lack of officials. Maybe then with recognised faces officiating a game the respect from players would improve.

Although I do like the idea of having qualified officials within each club.. how often do linesmen get shouted at and accused of cheating each week, and it is hard to run the line without any bias towards your own team. So I'd imagine actually officiating the match itself would magnify this problem somewhat.. would certainly boost the number of posts on the forum..

This is an ongoing problem and hasn't it been mentioned in previous yrs that lower div clubs get a club member to take a ref course. This way each team can do half each and would solve the shortage. On topic of respect to officials think its time rugby style is brought in No nonsense

Would the league pay for this though? I certainly don't want to ref and will not be willing to pay for the course out of my own money, but I'd do it so my teammates coud have a game of football.

Would be a topic for the league agm. I only say this as remember the days when Mr eddy was involved at titans and would ref. If every club had an qualified official it would put a stop to the on going problem as every wk a game suffers with lack of officials. Maybe then with recognised faces officiating a game the respect from players would improve.

Although I do like the idea of having qualified officials within each club.. how often do linesmen get shouted at and accused of cheating each week, and it is hard to run the line without any bias towards your own team. So I'd imagine actually officiating the match itself would magnify this problem somewhat.. would certainly boost the number of posts on the forum..

How is it hard to run the line without any bias towards your own team??

dobbie - A question for you - if you were the lineman for your own team, leading 2-1 in the junior cup and the opposition player broke through your own defensive line and was one on one with your keeper and scores........... it is a close call for offside, would you not stick up your flag to cancel the goal? Answer for most - YES!

It requires integrity........ Even though clubs have people who attend the club linesman course run by the CCFA (senior leagues maily), as a referee you cannot always trust them to present a non biased opinion. I myself do not allow any JCCL club linesman to give anything assosicated with fouls (Law 12) and I also over rule offside decisions at times.

Any other point raised earlier - If you were to have the match referee split between two club officials 1st half / 2nd half it wouldn't work - plain and simple!

[keithy87]

I play for st dominick and our ref had to travel all the way from st Austell yesterday ! Could get expensive paying around £40 for a ref

[goodsense]

BAs cornish ref said keep abusing refs then we as refs will give up I myself have decided to drop down to Duchy from higher leagues, for certain reasons but one was that I got so fed up towards the end of last season with the constant abuse and being blamed for a team losing and as I`ve done one or two senior games this season too in one game I was ripped into by the Home team manager because in his oppinion I was to blame for his team losing , mind you he soon changed his attitude when I told him he`d be reported then I was mr wonderful. I must say that the majority of clubs and there officials are good and respectful , as for yesterday I was treated well by the home club prior to and after the game even though they lost in a hard fought match . I feel as a ref of some experience that lower league club seem to be more welcoming my be because they are just glad to get a ref. But remember if you want a game on Saturday and don`t particulely don`t want to go shopping with the missus DON`T ABUSE THE REF .

[le boss]

This is an ongoing problem and hasn't it been mentioned in previous yrs that lower div clubs get a club member to take a ref course. This way each team can do half each and would solve the shortage. On topic of respect to officials think its time rugby style is brought in No nonsense

Would the league pay for this though? I certainly don't want to ref and will not be willing to pay for the course out of my own money, but I'd do it so my teammates coud have a game of football.

Would be a topic for the league agm. I only say this as remember the days when Mr eddy was involved at titans and would ref. If every club had an qualified official it would put a stop to the on going problem as every wk a game suffers with lack of officials. Maybe then with recognised faces officiating a game the respect from players would improve.

Although I do like the idea of having qualified officials within each club.. how often do linesmen get shouted at and accused of cheating each week, and it is hard to run the line without any bias towards your own team. So I'd imagine actually officiating the match itself would magnify this problem somewhat.. would certainly boost the number of posts on the forum..

This is an ongoing problem and hasn't it been mentioned in previous yrs that lower div clubs get a club member to take a ref course. This way each team can do half each and would solve the shortage. On topic of respect to officials think its time rugby style is brought in No nonsense

Would the league pay for this though? I certainly don't want to ref and will not be willing to pay for the course out of my own money, but I'd do it so my teammates coud have a game of football.

Would be a topic for the league agm. I only say this as remember the days when Mr eddy was involved at titans and would ref. If every club had an qualified official it would put a stop to the on going problem as every wk a game suffers with lack of officials. Maybe then with recognised faces officiating a game the respect from players would improve.

Although I do like the idea of having qualified officials within each club.. how often do linesmen get shouted at and accused of cheating each week, and it is hard to run the line without any bias towards your own team. So I'd imagine actually officiating the match itself would magnify this problem somewhat.. would certainly boost the number of posts on the forum..

How is it hard to run the line without any bias towards your own team??

dobbie - A question for you - if you were the lineman for your own team, leading 2-1 in the junior cup and the opposition player broke through your own defensive line and was one on one with your keeper and scores........... it is a close call for offside, would you not stick up your flag to cancel the goal? Answer for most - YES!

It requires integrity........ Even though clubs have people who attend the club linesman course run by the CCFA (senior leagues maily), as a referee you cannot always trust them to present a non biased opinion. I myself do not allow any JCCL club linesman to give anything assosicated with fouls (Law 12) and I also over rule offside decisions at times.

Any other point raised earlier - If you were to have the match referee split between two club officials 1st half / 2nd half it wouldn't work - plain and simple!

Surely with that sort of attitude - no integrity, wont listen to referees assistants etc, is it any wonder you do not get any respect - after all, respect has to be earnt! Wearing the black uniform does not automatically give you respect i am afraid. If i was running the line and you viewed me, who is there to assist you, yes ASSIST you, then I would question why i should bother, so it is a two way street!

[Cornish-Ref]

Le Boss - you're not wrong it what you say! Society has infact failed today where even Police do not get respect, so wearing a referee uniform doesn't warrent respect automatically.

When assistants are briefed they are given their responsibilities. Are you telling me that you haven't encountered in your time in football, club linesman who possibly bend the rules or who are substitutes that are just holding the flag because they have too?

As a referee you will never be right, from everyones perspective and are the first person to get the blame typically from the loosing team....