AJ715 Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 Any one have any idea how many teams are going up or down from each league and if so who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitty Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 Penzance and holmans will both be in the trelawny premier following relegation from the combination league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 I would of thought with most of the divisions a team or two short of the 14 origanally planned per division, to bring them back up to 14 again it would be hard to relegate anyone this year. Otherwise if two teams were relegated there would be a need to bring up 5 or 6 teams up from the division below to make it up to 14, which in my opinion would be to many. The only way i think there should be relegation is if a team such as Madron res, who have lost every game this season wish to go down. Only my opinion - Discuss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornishman64 Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 wot happens then if 5 new teams enter div 6 that would be a prob with promotion and relagation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 If the league continued with division 6 there is space for a maximum of 98 teams. We currently only have 89 so space for 9 new teams, without any others dropping out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 Just looking at the maths to go with my earlier post, to keep all divisions at 14, if two were promoted from div 1 to premier it would require 3 up from div2 to 1, 3 up from div 3 to 2. 4 up from div 4 to 3 and 5 up to div 5 from 6. Therefore it would leave div 6 with only 5 teams, so need at least 5 new teams to make divvy 6 worthwhile. Maybe make div 4 and 5 smaller to keep 6 with a good few? Or shuffle it all around again and put 16 in all the top divisions and get rid of divvy 6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ715 Posted May 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 Ive heard that 3 are going up from Division 2 to Division 1, but don't know if any are getting relegated from Division 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangle Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 I thought 5 leagues of 16 teams was on the cards. A total of only 80 teams though mean some got to drop out. Unless you keep Division 6, with the 9 or 10 other teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJP Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 Has the deadline for entering new teams gone for the Trelawney league yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le boss Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 If no one is relegated what is the point of the league competition - teams end up where they are because they are too good or too bad to be in that division and should be moved - will make a mockery of the whole league if teams win a couple of games all season and stay where they are. I think they should accept the new applicants into the league and then if possible do away with Div 6 by increasing the number of teams in the leagues above. Perhaps get some of the cup competitions out of the way at the beginning of the season so the league matches dont get back-logged? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Inch Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 I agree with Le Boss, there has to be relegation to start to even the leagues out after the combining fo the leagues, personally I would rather see 4/5 go up as they have been strong in their league and a couple relegated as thay have been too weak in their league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markw Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 Totally agree with leboss and FDO, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soccer Follower Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 The Premier currently has 12 teams. If Holman SC and Penzance are relegated from the Combination League to be replaced by Goonhavern and Ludgvan that still leaves 12 teams. Two teams,Carharrack and Mousehole,relegated to Division 1,that will leave ten teams. Constantine and Redruth United have earned promotion then to bring the Premier League up to 14 teams,third and fourth placed St.Keverne and Perranwell Reserves could be promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Chown Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 Obviously a bias opinion but the Premier Division already had two teams drop out at the start of the season leaving 14 out of 16 teams. If you were to relegate two from the Premier Division then would that mean 4 teams come up from Division 1? Personally, I would scrap Division 6, and boost all divisions to 16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 Assuming 4 new teams accepted, namely Camborne Park, Gwinear Res, Helston 3rds, Heamoor. This gives 93 teams, with the Premier and Div 1 brought up to 14 teams, Div 2 to Div 6 each 13 teams. Following the principles - 2 Up / 2 Down to keep same number of teams - 3 Up / 2 Down to add 1 team - 3 Up / 1 Down to add 2 teams - 4 Up / 1 Down to add 3 teams New line ups then become Premier 14 teams Pz Res & Holman from Combo (to replace Goonhavern & Ludgvan promoted) Constantine, Redruth & St Keverne promoted from Div 1 Div 1 14 teams Mousehole Res relegated from Premier Helston Res, Lizard, West Cornwall & Stithians promoted from Div 2 Div 2. 13 teams Trevenson relegated from Div 1 Culrose Res, Fal Ath Res & Wendron Res promoted from Div 3 Div 3. 13 teams Trispen relegated from Div 2 Wendron 3rd, Ruan Minor & Mawnan Res promoted from Div 4 Div 4. 13 teams St Agnes Res relegated from Div 3 West Cornwall Res, Hayle 4th & Wendron 4th promoted from Div 5 Div 5. 13 teams Madron Res & Constantine Res relegated from Div 4 Four Lanes & Redruth Ath & Marazion Blues promoted from Div 6 Div 6. 13 teams Trevenson Res & Ludgvan Res relegated from Div 5 Camborne Park, Gwinear Res, Helston 3rd & Heamoor (new teams) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le boss Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 Dont see why we cant scrap Div 6 and then just promote more from the divisions above and then push all the remaining Div 6 into Div 5 with the new teams. That could make 3 divisions of 16 and 3 of 15 teams. Think most teams want 16 in the league cos there was lots of moans about blank saturdays as it stands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Rundle Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 Yes, but this winter was exceptionally dry and frost-free. Get a really bad one and teams might be playing 3 times a week in mid-May to get the games played. Whatever they choose, you can't please everybody! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le boss Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 Agree its a conundrum but the leagues have to be competitive to keep the integrity of the league - nobody really wants to get thrashed every week or conversely win 10 or 12 nil every week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldy Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 I think skippy's "principles" for prom/rel are exactly what the new league needs. I does take time for some clubs to find their natural level. I would further advocate that requests for double prom/rel should be considered in the early years. I sympathise with the organisers but surely agreeing the size of each division must be the starting point for any meaningful discussions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le boss Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 by double promotion/relegation i take it you mean double the number of teams go up or down not jump 2 divisions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldy Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 I meant jumping/falling 2 divisions, in exceptional circumstances naturally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le boss Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 think that would cause a huge outcry amongst the clubs and cries of favouritism etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ715 Posted May 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 Think it would be unfair to the teams in Division 6 who won the league and runners up then to have all the other teams pushed up aswell, surely then it wouldnt feel like being promoted because they would be playing the same teams. Some teams have lost every game and deserve to be relegated because they clearly are not good enough for that level of football but it does mean promoting 3 or 4 teams from the lower division to balance the leagues out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish-Ref Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 Personally I believe that this season has gone extremely well, yes there were times (weeks) when clubs had no game, but in general from merging both leagues into one and teams dropping out before the beginning of the season - it's been good! My point is, that it is going to take at least one more season or possibly two, too sort out this league and balance the merger of the Mining / Falmouth leagues. It may even mean that Division six this year is removed and the leagues increased in size to 15/16. This will only be known and announced at the AGM. Personally, I don't believe that local football can support 7 divisions in the Trelawny League (my opinion only). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJP Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 Is the deadline for entry into the league the date of the AGM? I can't seem to get an answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kash Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 I played div 6 this season and there were 3sides that stood out, fourlanes, redruth athletic and marazion! If you scrap div6 then I think these 3sides deserve a crack at div 4, it would not be fair to expect them to play the same teams and again be in the bottom league after fourlanes won the league, athletic finished 2nd and marazion finished 3rd and won both league cups! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAFC02 Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 The merger was always going to take a few seasons to settle down. As far as jumping or relegating 2 leagues is concerned that is just ridiculous. Just give the merger time to settle and every team will find their level within a few seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 Think it would be unfair to the teams in Division 6 who won the league and runners up then to have all the other teams pushed up aswell, surely then it wouldnt feel like being promoted because they would be playing the same teams. Some teams have lost every game and deserve to be relegated because they clearly are not good enough for that level of football but it does mean promoting 3 or 4 teams from the lower division to balance the leagues out. That is why I am advocating the of agreeing the division numbers first, then taking any opinion or emotion out of the process by applying the following rules starting with the Trelawny Premier, working down to division 6 - 2 Up / 2 Down when the division size is to remain - 3 Up / 2 Down to increase by one - 3 Up / 1 Down to increase by two - 4 Up / 1 Down to increase by three Applying the formula, the Premier division for example is to increase by 2 from 12 to 14 clubs, therefore 3 Up / 1 Down applies. i.e. Mousehole relegated to Div 1, Constantine, Redruth & St Keverne promoted from Div 1. This leaves Division 1 with 11 clubs, requiring three clubs to get to 14 clubs. ie. 4 Up from Div 2, 1 Down to Div 2. The process is followed systematically down to Div 6. Using that formula the bottom team (often bottom two) gets relegated from each division. The number of promotions vary from 2 to 4 depending on the division size, which is pre-determined following the number of new clubs accepted. For extra large leagues such as the Mid-Sussex league containing no less than 13 divisions, there is some merit in allowing new clubs to be promoted more than one division at a time. A new club would otherwise take 6 years to even get halfway up the system! With the Trelawny League being 7 divisions, most teams will find their level after a couple of seasons being promoted or relegated one division at a time. Suggest not try and complicate matters by introducing 'double' promotions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kash Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 Only asking for double promotion from 6 because everyone wants to get rid of it so if we got promoted from 6 then we havent actually gained a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le boss Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 Teams won promotion last year and ended up further from Combo league when the merger happened so anything could happen this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shifty Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 Article in Falmouth Packet today indicates: - Two up, Two Down is the rule - All teams that withdrew did so before fixtures announced - meaning they dont count in relegation. So still two relegated from each division but numbers will 'probably' be made up with extra promotion slots By my reckoning with 2 down definitely from each division, as we go down the divisions it could be 6-7 clubs promoted in order to get up to 14 clubs each division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le boss Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 I have just spent some time trying to juggle the numbers to even up the leagues and to do away with Div 6 to make six leagues working on the premise that there are several teams applying to join this year. How about relegating just 1 team from each division with the exception of Div 4 - all the other leagues have a team who only gained single figure points and Div 4 did have Madron Res in before they withdrew - and promote teams to make the divisions bigger. Dont think 6 or 7 clubs should be promoted but more than 2 over the next few seasons? Cant see how it can all be achieved in one season!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 Article in Falmouth Packet today indicates: - Two up, Two Down is the rule - - All teams that withdrew did so before fixtures announced meaning they dont count in relegation. So still two relegated from each division but numbers will 'probably' be made up with extra promotion slots By my reckoning with 2 down definitely from each division, as we go down the divisions it could be 6-7 clubs promoted in order to get up to 14 clubs each division. looking back at my trelawney league fixture list 2011/12, 3rd of september has Penryn playing Robartes so both premier league teams were included then. otherwise i would of thought there would of been an ajustment at the Agm. I would prefer Skippy's proposal of 1 down and 3 up but would also like to see at least 14 in each division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le boss Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 I have just tried that theory and it leaves the bottom divisions with not enough teams coming up. How about top 3 divisions having 15 teams with one being relegated and three divisions of 16 with one being relegated which loses div 6 and div 5 with 5 spaces for new applications making 93 or to make it an even number 6 spaces for new applicants in div 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shifty Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 How about chuck all the names in a hat and draw at random :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le boss Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 How about chuck all the names in a hat and draw at random thats what they did at the last AGM, thats why we are in this mess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Eddy Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 bit unfair le boss even if it is tounge in cheek. this league will take a few seasons to settle down we all knew that from the start "Rome was not built in a day". having been to all the meetings before hand i know how much work the committeee put in.i personally just wish they listened to the clubs about the size of the leagues but!!! it was not their fault when teams pulled out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le boss Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 it was tongue in cheek but yes they should have listened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Eddy Posted May 30, 2012 Report Share Posted May 30, 2012 i know that the mining league clubs voted against 14 team leagues and proposed 16 teams.but because of the composition of the new committee it was turned down.but that is now history we must move on and be positive. just look at the south west premier league and how long have they been going 4 or 5 years.at last a team has taken promotion so hopefully it will encourage others to follow.helston have done exceptionally well after their promotion from the combo so things are moving forward and now we can only hope with two teams being promoted to the combo that the merry-go-round will start to get faster and more clubs will jump on board. lets look more at the posatives that the negatives a build our league into one we are proud of :drink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Still can,t get my head around it why you have to relegate teams when there is space for the teams in the promotion places below to come up! The league will say that the bottom 2/3 MUST be relegated,but what gives the team a right to come up when they finish outside a promotion place? Would the Combo league still relegate two teams IF only one team in a promotion place was eligable to come up?would they give third placed team a promotion? no, so why do it in the lower leagues? Should Carharrack (2nd from bottom) for example play Perranwell (4th) from the league below in a playoff to either stay/join the premier division Next season if 5 teams were to pull out of the premier div, relegate another two, over half the div 1 teams would gain promotion. leaving last years AGM there were 14 teams in the premier div it,s not Carharrack or Mousehole's fault that teams withdrew now they are going to suffer from another clubs demise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le boss Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Teams who only achieve 3 or 4 points all season are clearly out of their depth and need to find a more competitive place so thats why there must be relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Still can,t get my head around it why you have to relegate teams when there is space for the teams in the promotion places below to come up! The league will say that the bottom 2/3 MUST be relegated,but what gives the team a right to come up when they finish outside a promotion place? Would the Combo league still relegate two teams IF only one team in a promotion place was eligable to come up?would they give third placed team a promotion? no, so why do it in the lower leagues? Should Carharrack (2nd from bottom) for example play Perranwell (4th) from the league below in a playoff to either stay/join the premier division Next season if 5 teams were to pull out of the premier div, relegate another two, over half the div 1 teams would gain promotion. leaving last years AGM there were 14 teams in the premier div it,s not Carharrack or Mousehole's fault that teams withdrew now they are going to suffer from another clubs demise. No more than 2 sides will be relegated in any division. The only decision to be made is when a division needs to fill one or more vacancies. The options are to have extra promotions or relegate less than two. To fill one vacancy I would promote the 3rd placed club, then if another place available reprieve the 2nd bottom side, then promote the 4th place side. Using this method - the bottom team in all divisions is relegated. - from Div 4 and 5 the 2nd bottom team is also relegated - the top two teams in all divisions promoted - from Div 1, 3, 4, 5, 6 the 3rd placed team is also promoted - from Div 2 the 4th placed team is also promoted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le boss Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 think its going to be a long night at the AGM!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie C Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 so because penryn and robartes folded there sides in the prem it has cost mousehole and carharrack a premier league position. this seems very crap. why not just do what everybody at clubs have spoke to and just promote 2 sides from div 1 and relegate non. simples really saves numbers and hassle but we all know nothing is ever done with an easy option in cornwall. if ur going to the agm take the next day off cause its gonna be a very long night with teams fighting for there rights!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le boss Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 the thing that might cost carharrack their place in the premier league is the fact that they one won 5 points all season - i have nothing against the club- good set of people up there - but the league must remain competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie C Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 so a win v mousehole is 3 points a win v aggie is 3 points a draw away to the champions goonhavern is a point. 2 draws v st.buryan is 2 points a draw with mawnan thats 1 point. and 3 points v gulval . thats the results i can think of straight away which i think is all are results. so i think ur maths is really crap tbh. so not being competitive is drawing with the league champions away from home??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le boss Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 apologies - was confusing carharrack and mousehole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Still can,t get my head around it why you have to relegate teams when there is space for the teams in the promotion places below to come up! The league will say that the bottom 2/3 MUST be relegated,but what gives the team a right to come up when they finish outside a promotion place? Would the Combo league still relegate two teams IF only one team in a promotion place was eligable to come up?would they give third placed team a promotion? no, so why do it in the lower leagues? Should Carharrack (2nd from bottom) for example play Perranwell (4th) from the league below in a playoff to either stay/join the premier division Next season if 5 teams were to pull out of the premier div, relegate another two, over half the div 1 teams would gain promotion. leaving last years AGM there were 14 teams in the premier div it,s not Carharrack or Mousehole's fault that teams withdrew now they are going to suffer from another clubs demise. No more than 2 sides will be relegated in any division. The only decision to be made is when a division needs to fill one or more vacancies. The options are to have extra promotions or relegate less than two. To fill one vacancy I would promote the 3rd placed club, then if another place available reprieve the 2nd bottom side, then promote the 4th place side. Using this method - the bottom team in all divisions is relegated. - from Div 4 and 5 the 2nd bottom team is also relegated - the top two teams in all divisions promoted - from Div 1, 3, 4, 5, 6 the 3rd placed team is also promoted - from Div 2 the 4th placed team is also promoted Although i wouldn't like to see either team in the premier division go down (Carharrack or Mousehole), because i feel Robartes and Penryn were voted into the division at last years Agm, so they count as 13th and 14th team. Same with other divisions who had teams pull out after the divisions were finalised. I think Skippy's plan would probably satisfy the majority. Good work Skippy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie C Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Thats no problem le boss, i think the league need to have a real look at the situation cause coming out saying 2 up 2 down is a total load of rubbish and i think everyone belives this. due to its not the fact cause its 2 down 6 up 2 down 4 up . everyone has a right to go up and fight in a new league but the main thing everybody can see here is that teams pulling out early have effected the league in a dramatic fashion with teams that stayed in the league and fulfilled there fixtures and didnt pull out. i feel it woudnt be right for any team in prem to go down and it would be very harsh on mousehole and ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Le Boss did your first team fail to make promotion because they were not in a promotion place? yet you want teams in the trelawney league promoted when they are not in promotion places!!!!!! also who,s to say that the teams promoted that wer,nt first or second in their respective leagues are goiung to fair any better than teams unfairly relegated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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