Phil Mitchell Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 Would people rather have a game on 3g than not at all??? Or do teams without this facility see it as a disadvantage??
newlyneastno.10 Posted January 10, 2012 Report Posted January 10, 2012 Cant see it as a dis-advantage..., if you cant play football on a 3g pitch you might aswel give up..!!!
Guest smashing pumpkin Posted January 10, 2012 Report Posted January 10, 2012 Cant see it as a dis-advantage..., if you cant play football on a 3g pitch you might aswel give up..!!! your right liam , i dont see what the big deal is playing on 3g pitches there perfectly flat so passing and control should be easier.
Jeff Stelling Posted January 10, 2012 Report Posted January 10, 2012 We at West Cornwall are fortunate enough to have a 3G pitch available to us. We have pushed for it to be our home pitch in the past but it caused too much fuss from clubs/ players stuck in the dark days. We now use a perfectly good grass pitch at the college and have the luxury of offering the use of the 3G to the opposing team in the event that the grass is waterlogged/ frozen or unplayable. Unfortunately the away team has the choice to decline the use of the 3G if they want to and we have found that some teams would rather call the game off than play us on it as they think that it gives us an unfair advantage. I always argue that these pitches have been specifically designed to play how a good grass pitch 'should play' and the only players that may have problems are those that rely on constantly diving into dangerous tackles as you do get some friction burn. Nothing worse than you would get on a dry and solid grass pitch at the beginning and end of the season though.
Magic Mike Posted January 10, 2012 Report Posted January 10, 2012 We at West Cornwall are fortunate enough to have a 3G pitch available to us. We have pushed for it to be our home pitch in the past but it caused too much fuss from clubs/ players stuck in the dark days. We now use a perfectly good grass pitch at the college and have the luxury of offering the use of the 3G to the opposing team in the event that the grass is waterlogged/ frozen or unplayable. Unfortunately the away team has the choice to decline the use of the 3G if they want to and we have found that some teams would rather call the game off than play us on it as they think that it gives us an unfair advantage. I always argue that these pitches have been specifically designed to play how a good grass pitch 'should play' and the only players that may have problems are those that rely on constantly diving into dangerous tackles as you do get some friction burn. Nothing worse than you would get on a dry and solid grass pitch at the beginning and end of the season though. i would say you end up with worse grazes, bumps and bruises playing on a rock hard pitch at the end of april/beginning of may i would rather a game be played on 3g in winter when another pitch is perhaps unplayable due to weather than have a backlog of fixtures in april/may being played on rock hard and rutted up pitches that will hurt like hell and do more damage and injury to players.
Guest smashing pumpkin Posted January 10, 2012 Report Posted January 10, 2012 We at West Cornwall are fortunate enough to have a 3G pitch available to us. We have pushed for it to be our home pitch in the past but it caused too much fuss from clubs/ players stuck in the dark days. We now use a perfectly good grass pitch at the college and have the luxury of offering the use of the 3G to the opposing team in the event that the grass is waterlogged/ frozen or unplayable. Unfortunately the away team has the choice to decline the use of the 3G if they want to and we have found that some teams would rather call the game off than play us on it as they think that it gives us an unfair advantage. I always argue that these pitches have been specifically designed to play how a good grass pitch 'should play' and the only players that may have problems are those that rely on constantly diving into dangerous tackles as you do get some friction burn. Nothing worse than you would get on a dry and solid grass pitch at the beginning and end of the season though. your grass pitch was in good condition on saturday seeming the weather weve had the last month
Deano11 Posted January 10, 2012 Report Posted January 10, 2012 At the end of the day who are these players and managers ? Do they have a right to decline playing on a fantastic surface when there are kids world wide who play barefooted on stones and mud. Yet these players and manager feel that they are hard done by, by not playing on grass.................. Name and shame them !!! At the end of the day you are playing football as a hobby, you are not getting paid, your future doesnt really depend on it so just enjoy it weather you are playing on Penryns pitch, Cambornes 3G pitch or on Constantines slope !
le boss Posted January 10, 2012 Report Posted January 10, 2012 At the end of the day who are these players and managers ? Do they have a right to decline playing on a fantastic surface when there are kids world wide who play barefooted on stones and mud. Yet these players and manager feel that they are hard done by, by not playing on grass.................. Name and shame them !!! At the end of the day you are playing football as a hobby, you are not getting paid, your future doesnt really depend on it so just enjoy it weather you are playing on Penryns pitch, Cambornes 3G pitch or on Constantines slope ! I agree with you to an extent but if teams are not used to it then it could be a big leveller and also the bounce and run of the ball will ultimately be different and players could over compensate causing bad/late tackles etc. Unfortunately there are not enough of these surfaces around to be able to practice on. Perhaps an over-exaggeratd example but what if you were made to wear skated going to work when it is icy? 3g will always be a sticky issue
Guest smashing pumpkin Posted January 10, 2012 Report Posted January 10, 2012 At the end of the day who are these players and managers ? Do they have a right to decline playing on a fantastic surface when there are kids world wide who play barefooted on stones and mud. Yet these players and manager feel that they are hard done by, by not playing on grass.................. Name and shame them !!! At the end of the day you are playing football as a hobby, you are not getting paid, your future doesnt really depend on it so just enjoy it weather you are playing on Penryns pitch, Cambornes 3G pitch or on Constantines slope ! I agree with you to an extent but if teams are not used to it then it could be a big leveller and also the bounce and run of the ball will ultimately be different and players could over compensate causing bad/late tackles etc. Unfortunately there are not enough of these surfaces around to be able to practice on. Perhaps an over-exaggeratd example but what if you were made to wear skated going to work when it is icy? 3g will always be a sticky issue 3g pitches that i know of are penryn school , camborne college, truro college, wendron have a small training facilty which is 3g. think there is 1 in newquay. so there are a few around. but i think they are expensive to maintain so to answar deano question i dont think it would be the way forward.
Scott Rowe Posted January 10, 2012 Report Posted January 10, 2012 I dont think 3g pitches are a problem as long as the away team are told that they are to be playing on it. Gives them a chance to get there heads around it.
Jeff Stelling Posted January 10, 2012 Report Posted January 10, 2012 i would say you end up with worse grazes, bumps and bruises playing on a rock hard pitch at the end of april/beginning of may i would rather a game be played on 3g in winter when another pitch is perhaps unplayable due to weather than have a backlog of fixtures in april/may being played on rock hard and rutted up pitches that will hurt like hell and do more damage and injury to players. I'd agree with you 100%, a rock hard grass/mud pitch can be lethal in the summer months! your grass pitch was in good condition on saturday seeming the weather weve had the last month The grass did hold up pretty well on Saturday, it hasn't had a game on it for about a month so that helped. It's not usually too bad and in our relatively short history as a club it's only been unplayable a small number of times. At the end of the day who are these players and managers ? Do they have a right to decline playing on a fantastic surface when there are kids world wide who play barefooted on stones and mud. Yet these players and manager feel that they are hard done by, by not playing on grass.................. Name and shame them !!! At the end of the day you are playing football as a hobby, you are not getting paid, your future doesnt really depend on it so just enjoy it weather you are playing on Penryns pitch, Cambornes 3G pitch or on Constantines slope ! Unfortunately the league rules state that the away team are offered the option to play on the 3G in the event that our grass pitch is unplayable but they can choose to re schedule the game if they do not want to play on the astro. http://full-time.the...&league=3983534 The teams that refuse to play on it use the reason that we train on it giving us an unfair advantage, using that logic the fact that we train on the 3G pitch as do several other clubs but play almost all of our fixtures throughout the season on grass pitches would but us at a disadvantage in pretty much every game of the season but both our sides are doing reasonably well this year. Having played on 3G and grass pitches for several years now I can only say that the bounce and run of the ball is a lot truer than some of the slopes and pot hole filled pitches that we get at this level. If we want our kids to develop then they need to be playing on near perfect surfaces without the risk of picking up injuries and that is what 3G provides. I agree though that without considerable funding we will only have a handful of these pitches available for use in Cornwall and so I can't see it being the way forward any time soon.
Martin Eddy Posted January 10, 2012 Report Posted January 10, 2012 if most of the young players coming through are used to playing on 3g then this problem will go away in time!!! everyone knows that the majority of people in this country do not like change."if it was good enough for my grand dad then it is good enough for me" the times they are a changing but if they change before you finish playing football you will be very lucky. as an old man who still pretends he can play football i would gladly play on them every week because i know they would improve my skills,what skills i have. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
markw Posted January 10, 2012 Report Posted January 10, 2012 some 3g's are better than others. They may be expensive, but they are reliable.
Phil Mitchell Posted January 10, 2012 Author Report Posted January 10, 2012 Its a shame because ruan minor have said they dont want to play mawnan 2nds on saturday on the 3g. Mawnan 2nds dont ever play on that so no advantage there. Maybe because the suface is good thats why ruan dont want to play???!!!! Shame really, waste of a saturday.
Scooby Posted January 10, 2012 Report Posted January 10, 2012 It depends whether the 3G has the cushion pads installed underneath the surface, this is the most expensive type of 3G but even allows competitive Rugby to be played on it. It also makes for a far more realistic surface as it softens and dampens the bounce somewhat. 3G surfaces are absolutely superb, I feel a lot of players and managers just associate them with the old fashioned sand based Astro-Turf pitches. I would prefer to play on a 3G surface than (no disrespect intended at all) a lot of grass pitches at this level of football.
phoenix Posted January 10, 2012 Report Posted January 10, 2012 As a manager of a very young team, I think a 3g pitch ought to be the future. My players have no issue playing on a 3g surface because it promotes technical football and at that age they're keen to develop as footballers. Plus, factor in the usual wet weather in this part of the world and they make sense- they might be expensive to install but the long term potential to the economic and technical development of football is huge.
phoenix Posted January 10, 2012 Report Posted January 10, 2012 Forgot to add that in Newcastle a scheme to play the season March to September is being piloted in some youth leagues. Why? Because the increasing wet winters are causing too much fixture congestion. 3g pitches would sort that problem and not impact on summer based sports such as cricket either.
Jenksy007 Posted January 11, 2012 Report Posted January 11, 2012 I cannot for the life of me understand why any player would not want to play on 3G and experience it. Having recently moved house, ive installed a 40ft x 18ft approx section of 3G in my back lawn and its amazing. I encourage any doubters to bring beer and a football and try it out.
tms no9 Posted January 11, 2012 Report Posted January 11, 2012 although i completely agree with nearly all things said on this thread, i am one of the people that when told we have been asked to play on 3g pitches tell my gaffa i wont be playing, at the tender age of 21 my knees cant take it. i played 6aside on it last year and the pain is almost unbearable for the next few days! and since i dislocated my ankle i cant imagine it would do it a hole load of good for it.
Richard Rundle Posted January 11, 2012 Report Posted January 11, 2012 I agree with you to an extent but if teams are not used to it then it could be a big leveller and also the bounce and run of the ball will ultimately be different and players could over compensate causing bad/late tackles etc. There's going to be more of a difference between "bounce" and "run of the ball" between different types of grass pitch than between a decent grass pitch and a 3G pitch.
Tempo Posted January 11, 2012 Report Posted January 11, 2012 Scared of a little graze? Man up. Nothing wrong with a 3G pitch
Jenksy007 Posted January 11, 2012 Report Posted January 11, 2012 I think these days the importance of staying out of Sports Direct and purchasing decent footwear has never been greater. Im sure thats why half of these injuries and ailments occur.
Scott Rowe Posted January 11, 2012 Report Posted January 11, 2012 Somtimes when your playing a better side you need the wet boggy pitches to drag them down to your standard. Immaculate conditions every week works in the better sides favour less chance of a shock result.
Tempo Posted January 11, 2012 Report Posted January 11, 2012 Somtimes when your playing a better side you need the wet boggy pitches to drag them down to your standard. Immaculate conditions every week works in the better sides favour less chance of a shock result. Oh yeah, better sides shouldn't beat bad sides i forgot
Scott Rowe Posted January 12, 2012 Report Posted January 12, 2012 Somtimes when your playing a better side you need the wet boggy pitches to drag them down to your standard. Immaculate conditions every week works in the better sides favour less chance of a shock result. Oh yeah, better sides shouldn't beat bad sides i forgot 9 times out of 10 the better side wins anyway. All im saying is that pitch and conditions can somtimes be a leveller.
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