skippy Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 The Camborne-Redruth area, which includes Pool and satellite villages is 59,100,making it the largest urban conurbation in Cornwall. Is there any reason why there isn't a SW Peninsula football team in the area. Is it due to lack of players, clubs lacking ambition or general lack of interest in football due to the dominance of rugby?
Smithy Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 imo skippy-its lack of ambition, Illogan had one of the best combo teams but always declined the promotion. the problem you have is, that players in that area want to play with mates and dont wanna travel-also it costs the club a fair bit to get the grounds to meet requirements-so infairness its a few things but mainly lack of ambition.
Magic Mike Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 imo skippy-its lack of ambition, Illogan had one of the best combo teams but always declined the promotion. the problem you have is, that players in that area want to play with mates and dont wanna travel-also it costs the club a fair bit to get the grounds to meet requirements-so infairness its a few things but mainly lack of ambition. wouldnt see a problem with illogans facilities as pretty decent set up there so i agree with you Smithy it comes down to one of two things 1. COST. travelling from somewhere like illogan into div 1 of the peninsula league will require a large amount of travelling due to location 2. AMBITION, some teams are happy to stay still and be secure in there current league, i fell the current illogan side are probably more than amatch in the Peninsular league DIV 1 west that is just my opinion and not stating in any way that Illogan dont have any ambition.
Soccer Follower Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 Illogan have previously played in a higher league.
Magic Mike Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 Illogan have previously played in a higher league. when was this nige??
le boss Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 The Camborne-Redruth area, which includes Pool and satellite villages is 59,100,making it the largest urban conurbation in Cornwall. Is there any reason why there isn't a SW Peninsula football team in the area. Is it due to lack of players, clubs lacking ambition or general lack of interest in football due to the dominance of rugby? could it be that a lot of the pitches in the area are either council or educationally owned and these may bring their own inherent problems
BHarvey Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 None of you have considered over-saturation... too many clubs within the area!
cornishteddyboy Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 Illogan RBL playerd in the SWL from 1974-75 to 1980-81. Their Reserves replaced them from 1975-76 to 1980-81. For the season 1974-75 Illogan did not have a team in the Combo. Illogan RBL joined the Combo at the start of the 1965-66 season. Champions 5 times - 70-71, 71-72, 73-74, 2006-07, 09-10. Runners-up - 69-70 League Cup Winners - 73-74, 09-10 Runners-up - 70-71, 01-02, 05-06 Supplementary Cup Winners - 02-03 Illogan RBL Reserves Cup Final Runners-up - 75-76
Pitty Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 Between Camborne and Redruth their is on average a combination league club every 2.3miles from st day in the east to Holman sports club in the west and Troon and illogan in between and with countless junior sides in addition their is definitely the interest in what is regarded as a bastion of rugby. Falmouth also has a similar set up with the main difference that they have 2 peninsula sides with Falmouth looking to make a jump higher. I think their are many reasons why peninsula football has not come to the Camborne/Redruth area. Firstly the club making the jump has got to be successful. I think that can rule my club out!!!!! we are struggling to stay in the combination league. Troon are mid table and st day certainly don't lack ambition off the pitch but have struggled to achieve the ambition on it which leaves illogan as the only viable candidate at this time to have a realistic chance of promotion. Illogan are a far cry from the side of the early 90's that were finishing in the bottom of the combo and have boasted a good consistent side over the last 6-7 years and were probably denied two more league titles by two ambitious clubs in perranporth & Truro who assembled high quality squads to get them into the swpl (let's leave their performance since being promoted to another thread) Many feel illogan should have applied for promotion 2 years ago following their tremendous run in the senior cup but they chose not to make the leap. It is a big decision for the club to commit to a higher league. Much more travelling and probably a higher financial outlay and maybe after their experience before has been a factor in their decision. Illogans 2nd team I am sure would make the leap into the combo maintaining a close link between the two (although their average age of the squad is about 53!!! )unlike helston who are setting a fantastic example of a club that made the decision to progress and are reaping the rewards and flying high in their 1st season but are probably fully aware their is a large gap of 4 divisions to their 2nds but have enjoyed good clubmen like Blakey dropping from the 1st team even though they are going from swpl west to trelawny div 2 (although I think the gap will close quickly if they retain their current talented squad), As with any team that is promoted a league games get harder be it a junior side or senior side. A big downside of promotion is not only the lack of silverware that has become so welcome at the end of the season but the long term knock on effect. The 3 other combo sides in the area were very successful junior sides who have all made the leap into senior football following league titles, junior cup finalists/winners cup winners however after 2 or 3 seasons that successful winning squad begins to drift away with retirements, transfers & players dropping back to the junior leagues. Clubs then begin to struggle for results. Struggling clubs find it difficult to attract players when they are losing and so go from a winning mentality team used to winning to a side that becomes accustomed to losing....it's not a nice feeling leaving the club in a position of rebuilding and as pendeen in recent history and ludgvan and Porthleven reserves a step back is required to go forward again. To sum up teams in the Camborne/Redruth area do not lack ambition but their is many factors and consequences to consider. Recent history has shown sides that made the leap to the swpl have come crashing back down to earth. Goonhavern & wendron had to pull out mid season and Perranporthhave struggled this season 3 years after running away with the combo but now seeing that squad break up and move on find themselves in an unfamiliar position to what they have become accustomed to in the last 10 years Players come and go the committees of the clubs who are left to pick up the pieces or bask in the glory are the constant in all this and only they know what the right direction and if they can afford the time effort travelling and expense that promotion may entail obviously these are just my personal views and I hope I've not offended anyone It's very easy to knock a club and say they have no ambition but this level of football is about enjoying a sport on a Saturday afternoon with like minded people. It is not something to take so seriously
Martin Eddy Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 don't forget portreath who tried promotion and for the reasons you have mentioned are still trying to pick up the pieces. one thing that you mentioned very briefly but that i think is a very important factor is the committee. most organisations find it very,very difficult to find willing volunteers who give up hours of their time and many pounds out of their pockets to help the cause.ooh!!and grief from their missus its all well and good having a good team for a season or two but as neil says its nearly always only the players that come and go. i also feel that a good youth set up that is well supported by the adult section is the way forward and feel that this is the one advantage that illogan have over the rest,because every year they have a group of youngsters coming through and staying can troon,st day and holmans say the same. i know they have youth teams but are they as involved as illogan obviousely are.
Pitty Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 I'm looking to strengthen and increase the size of our committee ted and your top of the hit list :)
Martin Eddy Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 just looked at the draws for the county youth cups u16 @u18 only team from camborne/redruth area in either is trevenson and look at their mens teams at present!!!!!! no offence to trevenson because they have a fantastic youth set up.there main problem is a real lack of their own home which unfortunately is a very big hurdle
Pendeener Posted January 10, 2012 Report Posted January 10, 2012 Between Camborne and Redruth their is on average a combination league club every 2.3miles from st day in the east to Holman sports club in the west and Troon and illogan in between and with countless junior sides in addition their is definitely the interest in what is regarded as a bastion of rugby. Falmouth also has a similar set up with the main difference that they have 2 peninsula sides with Falmouth looking to make a jump higher. I think their are many reasons why peninsula football has not come to the Camborne/Redruth area. Firstly the club making the jump has got to be successful. I think that can rule my club out!!!!! we are struggling to stay in the combination league. Troon are mid table and st day certainly don't lack ambition off the pitch but have struggled to achieve the ambition on it which leaves illogan as the only viable candidate at this time to have a realistic chance of promotion. Illogan are a far cry from the side of the early 90's that were finishing in the bottom of the combo and have boasted a good consistent side over the last 6-7 years and were probably denied two more league titles by two ambitious clubs in perranporth & Truro who assembled high quality squads to get them into the swpl (let's leave their performance since being promoted to another thread) Many feel illogan should have applied for promotion 2 years ago following their tremendous run in the senior cup but they chose not to make the leap. It is a big decision for the club to commit to a higher league. Much more travelling and probably a higher financial outlay and maybe after their experience before has been a factor in their decision. Illogans 2nd team I am sure would make the leap into the combo maintaining a close link between the two (although their average age of the squad is about 53!!! )unlike helston who are setting a fantastic example of a club that made the decision to progress and are reaping the rewards and flying high in their 1st season but are probably fully aware their is a large gap of 4 divisions to their 2nds but have enjoyed good clubmen like Blakey dropping from the 1st team even though they are going from swpl west to trelawny div 2 (although I think the gap will close quickly if they retain their current talented squad), As with any team that is promoted a league games get harder be it a junior side or senior side. A big downside of promotion is not only the lack of silverware that has become so welcome at the end of the season but the long term knock on effect. The 3 other combo sides in the area were very successful junior sides who have all made the leap into senior football following league titles, junior cup finalists/winners cup winners however after 2 or 3 seasons that successful winning squad begins to drift away with retirements, transfers & players dropping back to the junior leagues. Clubs then begin to struggle for results. Struggling clubs find it difficult to attract players when they are losing and so go from a winning mentality team used to winning to a side that becomes accustomed to losing....it's not a nice feeling leaving the club in a position of rebuilding and as pendeen in recent history and ludgvan and Porthleven reserves a step back is required to go forward again. To sum up teams in the Camborne/Redruth area do not lack ambition but their is many factors and consequences to consider. Recent history has shown sides that made the leap to the swpl have come crashing back down to earth. Goonhavern & wendron had to pull out mid season and Perranporthhave struggled this season 3 years after running away with the combo but now seeing that squad break up and move on find themselves in an unfamiliar position to what they have become accustomed to in the last 10 years Players come and go the committees of the clubs who are left to pick up the pieces or bask in the glory are the constant in all this and only they know what the right direction and if they can afford the time effort travelling and expense that promotion may entail obviously these are just my personal views and I hope I've not offended anyone It's very easy to knock a club and say they have no ambition but this level of football is about enjoying a sport on a Saturday afternoon with like minded people. It is not something to take so seriously brilliant post pitty :c:
Mike Odgers Posted January 10, 2012 Report Posted January 10, 2012 Illogan RBL playerd in the SWL from 1974-75 to 1980-81. Their Reserves replaced them from 1975-76 to 1980-81. For the season 1974-75 Illogan did not have a team in the Combo. Illogan RBL joined the Combo at the start of the 1965-66 season. Champions 5 times - 70-71, 71-72, 73-74, 2006-07, 09-10. Runners-up - 69-70 League Cup Winners - 73-74, 09-10 Runners-up - 70-71, 01-02, 05-06 Supplementary Cup Winners - 02-03 Illogan RBL Reserves Cup Final Runners-up - 75-76 Also played the F A Vase -I remember seeing Exmouth Town of the Western League at Oxland Parc in the late 70's
Martin Eddy Posted January 10, 2012 Report Posted January 10, 2012 did Pengegon ever play in the vase mike :clapper:
Mike Odgers Posted January 10, 2012 Report Posted January 10, 2012 did Pengegon ever play in the vase mike Good one Martin- I will say yes(lol)-as we had matches at Clevedon Town-Welton Rovers and Stoke Gifford (Bristol) Also Pengegon played in Europe losing 2-3 to F C Antilles (Lorient in France) ha ha
Jamie C Posted January 10, 2012 Report Posted January 10, 2012 well i think that this is very true how no teams are in the leagues but there are alot of players in the area playing higher than combo in the area so does that count.
sammo 66 Posted January 11, 2012 Report Posted January 11, 2012 And one other big thing Rugby . camborne and redruth have always had good rugby sides with lots of support . and a lot of the locals would rather watch the rugby . teams like truro falmouth and so on have rugby sides but to be honest they are poor so dont effect the football as much
Harsh but FAIR Posted January 12, 2012 Report Posted January 12, 2012 The quality of player isn't high enough in that area!!!!!!!
mikeyp Posted January 12, 2012 Report Posted January 12, 2012 The quality of player isn't high enough in that area!!!!!!! What do u mean, the quality of players aren't good enough in the camborne / redruth area? There has always been good players from around this area and that are playing penisula football and with the youth setups with Trevenson & Illogan now both being FA Chartered through under 5's to under 18's the youth in this area is going to get better & better and produce lots more quality players with better coaching. :thumbsup:
chubbs284 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 don't forget portreath who tried promotion and for the reasons you have mentioned are still trying to pick up the pieces. one thing that you mentioned very briefly but that i think is a very important factor is the committee. most organisations find it very,very difficult to find willing volunteers who give up hours of their time and many pounds out of their pockets to help the cause.ooh!!and grief from their missus its all well and good having a good team for a season or two but as neil says its nearly always only the players that come and go. i also feel that a good youth set up that is well supported by the adult section is the way forward and feel that this is the one advantage that illogan have over the rest,because every year they have a group of youngsters coming through and staying can troon,st day and holmans say the same. i know they have youth teams but are they as involved as illogan obviousely are. Well can u tell me why Illogan Under 18's Rathbone Cup Winners and League Champions last season only had one player playing Combo football for IIIogan when the rest of the squad went to clubs like Hayle,Penzance, Troon, St Agnes all Combo teams!!!!! Why do clubs put all the effort into coaching youngsters and getting Chartered Standard just to be overlooked by the senior side when they reach the age when they can play adult football. In my eyes Illogan should have held on to more than one player as each and every player was well worth keeping at the club. Well thats there loss and other clubs gain thats life perhaps one day clubs like Illogan will wake up and smell the coffee and keep these youngsters with them and not let them wonder off to other clubs. The whole point of a youth set up is to find talent keep it and to use it. :blink:
Fatso Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 Seeing the majority of this post has angled towards Illogan (who I'm sure had their reasons for not seeking promotion as they are well run) it would be worth considering that lots of talented players would head to their club from within the area. As they are normally strong in all divisions it would seem that it is not so easy to just head down there and walk into the team... this may be why players go elsewhere. With regards to the youth lads; lots of young players are not happy sittting on a bench and waiting their turn these days, so perhaps this is why they choose to go elsewhere. If this is not the case then what Illogan are doing is not a waste as they are helping local football in a sense. I am nothing to do with Illogan just for the record, but I know the area and wonder if the residents of Richards Lane and other properties surrounding the ground would fancy floodlights in their very close proximity? Also to have this all set up would require a fair bit of cash I would imagine.
mikeyp Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 don't forget portreath who tried promotion and for the reasons you have mentioned are still trying to pick up the pieces. one thing that you mentioned very briefly but that i think is a very important factor is the committee. most organisations find it very,very difficult to find willing volunteers who give up hours of their time and many pounds out of their pockets to help the cause.ooh!!and grief from their missus its all well and good having a good team for a season or two but as neil says its nearly always only the players that come and go. i also feel that a good youth set up that is well supported by the adult section is the way forward and feel that this is the one advantage that illogan have over the rest,because every year they have a group of youngsters coming through and staying can troon,st day and holmans say the same. i know they have youth teams but are they as involved as illogan obviousely are. Well can u tell me why Illogan Under 18's Rathbone Cup Winners and League Champions last season only had one player playing Combo football for IIIogan when the rest of the squad went to clubs like Hayle,Penzance, Troon, St Agnes all Combo teams!!!!! Why do clubs put all the effort into coaching youngsters and getting Chartered Standard just to be overlooked by the senior side when they reach the age when they can play adult football. In my eyes Illogan should have held on to more than one player as each and every player was well worth keeping at the club. Well thats there loss and other clubs gain thats life perhaps one day clubs like Illogan will wake up and smell the coffee and keep these youngsters with them and not let them wonder off to other clubs. The whole point of a youth set up is to find talent keep it and to use it. :blink: Your so concerned about youth football at Illogan, you coached this under 18 side and now your trying to poach them all from Illogan. As regards to players leaving, they're 7 players from last years under 18 squad which still play for the club,3 of which played a major part for Illogans reserves junior cup win on Saturday. The players that have left Illogan are Zac Williams who has always had an Hayle connection & lives in Hayle, Ryan Barber whos Dad is chairman of Hayle, Ashley Smeeth is at Troon playing football with his Brothers & Father, Tim Nixon who is at uni & is still signed on for Illogan and plays when he can but his main side is Truro City, Karl Worth has gone to St.Agnes last I heard (cos he wasn't good enough to get in your Troon side), Craig Clinton who plays at Troon with u! & Reece prout who works Saturdays & plays Rugby. Because they won the Under 18's last season doesn't give them the direct route into the 1st team The rule at Illogan is, if their good enough they will play!! They're currently 7 players playing regular 1st team football that have played all through youth levels at Illogan. So as it shows the youth set up at Illogan does work, although one negative side at the moment is the oldest age group is under 14's so the senior sides won't see any of these players for another couple of seasons but I for one do go &watch this side play on a Sunday morning & they're a few very good potential players.
mitchy07 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 i have to agree with mikey on that one.I think we need to remember these lads ar 17 and are old enough to make there own minds up im sure mike and co would like to keep them all but it just isn't possible. maybe some credit should be given to youth football for bringing quality players through
mikeyp Posted January 13, 2012 Report Posted January 13, 2012 i have to agree with mikey on that one.I think we need to remember these lads ar 17 and are old enough to make there own minds up im sure mike and co would like to keep them all but it just isn't possible. maybe some credit should be given to youth football for bringing quality players through thanks mitchy07, its a big step coming from youth football to mens not all players are developed by the age of 16 and somtimes a season playing for the 2nds or 3rds is just wat they need before they make the step up to senior football, the only trouble is younger players cant always see the bigger picture so when other clubs offer them instsnt senior football they take, at the age of 16 they just need to play regular mens football with no stress or pressure and maybe having a taste of bigger things now and again and not just bing used as bench fillers
skippy Posted January 14, 2012 Author Report Posted January 14, 2012 imo skippy-its lack of ambition, Illogan had one of the best combo teams but always declined the promotion. the problem you have is, that players in that area want to play with mates and dont wanna travel-also it costs the club a fair bit to get the grounds to meet requirements-so infairness its a few things but mainly lack of ambition. wouldnt see a problem with illogans facilities as pretty decent set up there so i agree with you Smithy it comes down to one of two things 1. COST. travelling from somewhere like illogan into div 1 of the peninsula league will require a large amount of travelling due to location 2. AMBITION, some teams are happy to stay still and be secure in there current league, i fell the current illogan side are probably more than amatch in the Peninsular league DIV 1 west that is just my opinion and not stating in any way that Illogan dont have any ambition. Not sure the travelling is such a big deal these days. Prior to the SWP, getting promoted from the Combo meant a number of long away trips only to be hammered by the likes of LauncestonSaltashTorpointTavistockPlymouth ParkwayLiskeardBodmin These days sides promoted from the Combo don't have to face these sides in the league, and have a number of closer trips (and dare I say less daunting) toHelstonMouseholeHaylePenrynPerranporthPorthlevenGodolphinFoxholeSt Dennis
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