refereeing at its worst

[paulo bestiniho]

today was a great game of football as the two sides were concered spoilt by a referee. i have never seen more inconsistency by a match official in my life. He claimed after the game that he had done everything by the book? an intential hand ball is a sending off offence am i right? this he didnt chose to miss but awarded a free kick and nothing else. in my footballing years i have never recieved a yellow card and that includes 5 aside sundays and saturdays. i was shocked at the situation today which saw me recieve a straight red! a corner came in which i claimed and the striker clatered into me with his elbow hitting my face and the ball being dropped. i pounced on the ball as it fell nicely and asked the ref as i rose to my feet "are elbows aloud then" he blew his whistle shouted right thats it ran up to me got both cards out and flashed the red one everybody was shocked even st day players who quoted that as beeing an awfull decision. now i face a ban of 30 days and a fine of 35 pounds. i had performed no earlier infringement. After the game i spoke to the st day manager who said he would support an appeal we also aproached the referee and asked him about his decision he could answer that it was decent but when asked about the freekick for the elbow directly before jus stood there with his mouth open and shrugged his shuolders. An apeal to something like this is pointless as the fa are renound for sticking with referees in situations like this which is a wrong when a player is wrong he gets the treatment he deserves. what happen when a referee is worng as clearly was the case at st day today. not only did this ruin a well contested game of football it potentially altared the game entirelly with st day able to take advantage of the 1 less man by scoring the winner in the ten minutes i was off the pitch. no fault of st day who were a joy to play against and very supportive over the situation jus as we would be if it was in the other shoes. Anybody any advice or guidance

[B Manning]

Sorry but you are wrong deliberate handball is not in itself a sending off offence, if it denies a goal scoring opertunity then that is a red card offence, but in the normal run of the game a free kick is all that need be given.

[paulo bestiniho]

Sorry but you are wrong deliberate handball is not in itself a sending off offence, if it denies a goal scoring opertunity then that is a red card offence, but in the normal run of the game a free kick is all that need be given.

Thank for that i honestly didnt know that one. how about raised hands or people squaring up together. have u ever sent sombody off for asking a question that hasnt done anything wrong the entire game?

[B Manning]

Again, raised hands or people squaring up is not a red card, if I consider that to be the handbags at dawn scenario then a good bollocking is all I will give but if the raised hands actually strike an opponent then the red card is used. No I have never sent off anybody for asking a question, but I will send off a player who uses offensive, insulting or abusive language directly to me in that exchange of views. I hope that helps.

[Magic Mike]

B manning how would you feel if one player in a team consistently questioned every decision you made and said it was wrong?

warn him, then book him then if he continues a second yellow then off??

[B Manning]

Hi the cat, in your scenario my fist step would be a verbal warning as to his conduct, if he still persisted in questioning my decisions the I would caution (yellow card)the player for dissent, if that did not stop the dissent then yes a second caution and the red card would be used. In fact I have taken this course of action myself on one occasion.

[paulo bestiniho]

Hi the cat, in your scenario my fist step would be a verbal warning as to his conduct, if he still persisted in questioning my decisions the I would caution (yellow card)the player for dissent, if that did not stop the dissent then yes a second caution and the red card would be used. In fact I have taken this course of action myself on one occasion.

thats exactly what happened i question his decision once? there was no bad language used which was confirmed by both our players and some of the st day players. and i recieved a straight red. no warnign no yellow just off

[Soccer Follower]

Hi the cat, in your scenario my fist step would be a verbal warning as to his conduct, if he still persisted in questioning my decisions the I would caution (yellow card)the player for dissent, if that did not stop the dissent then yes a second caution and the red card would be used. In fact I have taken this course of action myself on one occasion.

thats exactly what happened i question his decision once? there was no bad language used which was confirmed by both our players and some of the st day players. and i recieved a straight red. no warnign no yellow just off

As i said to you this morning Bestie, you need to wait for the referee's report and then decide on your next course of action.

[Guest RalphTheMouth]

The 'squaring up' was nothing, just handbags, no hands raised. Also, whatever you remember or have been told by others, you did swear at the referee. Quote 'F***ing hell ref, I didn't know elbows were allowed!', the ref was 25-30 yards away and I was further than that, so you definitely shouted it loud enough. I've sworn at referees before (not in this match) and got away with it, but if the ref decides to pull you up for it than there is no room for complaint. Take your fine, ban and accept it.

You played well but you wouldn't have got near the winner anyway!

[Fatso]

Having spoken to Paulo Bestiniho this morning, and without mentioning any names, it appears that the same ref sent me off for my only ever dismissal a couple of years ago. The situation was exactly the same;

I asked a question about why a player was allowed to challenge me in such a fashion that could have caused a fracture, without a free kick even being given. This happened 2 minutes into injury time in a game that was over as a contest. The result was a straight red... which at the time was ridiculous. However... the report did not truely reflect the events that occured and, due to my good record, the ban and fine were reduced but never recinded. It's a shame but unfortunately this happens in football.

In the defence of all ref's, the amount of abuse they get from certain players more than likely makes them more alert and sensitive to situations of being questioned, and the result is cards!

Good luck with your appeal!

[Magic Mike]

i'd keep ur head down and accept the punishment, might let you off with a lesser ban and fine if you have a good record already pal.

presuming you do have a good previous record???

[paulo bestiniho]

i didnt say f****** hell ref which was confirmed by one of your players sat behind my goal i did say f*** sake as i was caught by an elbow unententionally. yes i do have a good record cat. 7 years of football outfield and in goal no cards at all. we as a club are guna chat and decide what to do about the situation. quite clearly situations like his have happened before

[Magic Mike]

mate

i got sent off once for swearing and it was the opposition player swearing at me!

asked the ref why i had been sent off and told me i had called the opposition player A stupid F***ING C**T,

when the report went in it said i had committed a professional foul( strange as we had just scored and were running back to the centre circle)

i ended up with a 7 day ban and £20 fine , work that one out if you will!!!

[goodsense]

You can tell me to mind my own business if you so desire .... but speaken as a Referee of 20 years standing some players and not all I must add do swear when confronting a match official and don`t releise that they have , I`m not saying that you did or didn`t paulo, but it does happen on many many occasions. I was not there so I cannot comment on this incident , but it happens. If the referee believes you swore at him he is in his right to dismiss you from the field of play. I my adivse is any help then you could try an appeal and hope for the best result, but be aware that if it goes against you you could be facing a longer ban and a heavier find. The FA don`t always back the referees as some people believe as I myself have had to to appeals and the named players have got off , which never bothers me if they do thats what the appeal system is all about. Any way good Luck Paulo with what ever you course you decide to follow.

from Referee from up EAST :drink:

[Guest]

First of all I would just like to say that I did not see the incident so cannot comment on what exactly happened but one thing I have learnt over the years is that we need referees and they need us, It is not a battle between players and officials and I think coming onto a public forum saying what you have may not be the best course of action.

As already stated by another member it would be worthwhile waiting to see the report although I will just say that as you have decided to come on here and say what you have the official will have no option but to report it, He could have decided not to send in the card but as you have reported it yourself on here he will have to.

I got sent off once for swearing at an official and it was not even me who said anything, No seriously I was in fact innocent and after the game the other player involved admitted that it was indeed him who had sworn and not me so mistakes do happen but hey that’s life.

I myself have been yellow and red carded on many many occasion in fact my record is diabolical to say the least but I was young and stupid back in the day and thought I knew everything but as time has gone on I learnt my lessons, I have a very good relationship with all match officials now and some are in fact very good friends of mine so take a bit of advice from someone who knows, Just accept the punishment even if you were right and get on with the football in 35 days time it is the best way and I would strongly advise against an appeal because from experience and I have quite a bit in this field it is not worth it and you will come off far worse.

Good luck with the rest of your season though fella

[Anita]

I got sent off once for swearing at an official and it was not even me who said anything, No seriously I was in fact innocent

that made me laugh :lol:

[Guest]

I got sent off once for swearing at an official and it was not even me who said anything, No seriously I was in fact innocent

that made me laugh

I thought you might pick up on that, i was innocent though on that day (A first for me) :D

[Rodney]

Sorry B.Manning but you are wrong on that 1!!! In professional football how many times do you see a player raise his hands and see him get sent off. 9x from

10 that player will walk, therefore should be no different in amateur football. Players safety should be responsible to the referee, I must admit alot of refs in our standard of football don't get every desicion right but referees are getting harder to come by, probably down to the fact they can't be dealing with the abuse they get on Saturdays. So think we should just get on with the game and give the guys a break!

[THE LYNX AFFECT]

paulo. you have every right to appeal that is your option.

if you are getting the backing from the other team management you can ask them to go along to your appeal, as witnesses.what have you got to lose??

Being a ref i have lost a few appeals to players sending offs.

Also if for example a referee is going thro a bad spell ( we have all gone thro one refs)

why dont that county send out a asseror to have a look and try and help him or her in that bad patch.

On that note i had 2 teams today who were a credit to there league

anyway paulo good luck in what you decide :c:

[B Manning]

Well Rodney from your comments I expect you are a well experienced referee so i will defer to you much better experience and judgement.

[Rodney]

No I am a player not a referee.

[B Manning]

Rodney I will admit I was wrong and in so doing reinterate that i will defer to your vast knowledge and experience in refereeing.

[stevieb]

if we did not have any refs were would the game of football be? i think we all are at fault sometimes when we give the ref a hard time,sometimes they have an off game ,just like players managers and fans we are all human.there are some very good ref around and some not so good but the same can be said for players as well.we all need to look at ourselves and some players con the ref ie falling over when tackled and rolling about has if they have been shot.what happened to the old days when if you were tackled hard you just got up . and if the opposition was trying to knock you out of your game you would get up and say is that the best you have got ,even if it hurt like hell. perhaps this is the ramblings of an old player who misses the more phsical way the game was played.but the refs knew then when someone was really hurt .i can rember when one ref made a player to go and fetch the ball after the ref gave afree kick against him in his petulance he kicked it away across on to another pitch. the look on his face was a picture when he came back and all the players laughed ,which seemed to have the desired effect