Promotion to and From The Combo

[cornishteddyboy]

I'm just thinking out aloud.

First the bottom of the league.

Originally there were four applicants to join the Combination League, Troon and Storm from the Mining League, Mousehole Reserves and Falmouth Athletic from the Falmouth/Helston League.

Probus claimed they applied but their application was never recieved in time.

To be considered for promotion a team has to finish in the top 3 of their league.

Up to a month ago three teams were still in the running as Mousehole Reserves were out of the running in the Fal/Hel League.

After a couple of results Storm found themselves out of the running as well, leaving Troon and Falmouth Athletic.

Falmouth Athletic had a backlog of games to catch up but have lost one or two and now can not finish in the top 3 in their league.

http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/falmouthalbio...league_table.pl

This leaves Troon as the only club in the running for promotion into the Combo.

Now to the top.

We know Perranporth have applied to join the SWPL Div 1 West. To be considered they have to finish in the top two in the Combo. This they have achieved and only need one point from their last four games to be crowned Champions. I did hear they had some work to do at their ground to bring it up to standard.

So let assume Perranporth get promoted this will leave one space to be filled, so it looks odds-on that Troon will be playing in the Combo League next season.

It also means unless the other clubs in the Combo are feeling mean the two clubs who will finish bottom, Wendron and Ludgvan will probably not be relegated.

[green & white]

not being nasty! But how many more chances ludgvan going 2 get? If mousehole or fal ath did go up they would both do far better than a lot in the bottom half of combo & might surprise quite a few along the way!!

[cloughy]

i just hope the inspection goes well on the 31st may ,when is the combo meeting

[Richard Chown]

Please dont get me started on Ludgvan!!!

[St.Justice]

not being nasty! But how many more chances ludgvan going 2 get? If mousehole or fal ath did go up they would both do far better than a lot in the bottom half of combo & might surprise quite a few along the way!!

If Mousehole did a bit better in the league then you wouldn't have to worry about the other teams!

You have to win enough games to get promotion, not be given it. Its not Ludgvan's fault that these so called better teams can't finish high enough in there respective leagues. I dare say if there were promoted teams to take there place they wouldn't have a problem with it this year.

[isaac rosenberg]

So nice to hear from you, Dingo Corkhat. Don't go raising any more fires. Not much to say now about your beloved 'Pies finishing below St Just in the league unless they win at Perranporth tomorrow night ? I don't think that's going to happen, do you ?

Like Double Diamonds, Tinners last longer....your lot are the footballing equivalent of premature ejaculation.......

:D

[St.Justice]

Don't go raising any more fires.

Not the sort of thing to be joking about, as so many people died!

Hello Mr Beer, I haven't been on for a while as I thought you had been banned. But now I know your back, I will keep an eye out for your unbiased and educational posts.

Congratulations for your team finishing above mine, but I'm pretty happy with PZ reserves position. A young side and a much better league position than last year.

[Guest man on! the sideline]

this is not my idea and i'm not claiming it, but, perranporth up, ludgvan down, no one in.?

18 in the league less of a build up of games, i'm sure it's not that simple and also not fair on a fal/hel or mining team that have maybe worked hard on and off the pitch to get in a position to gain promotion but hey, football's not always fair (ask any chelsea fan lol) and if the set up is right then next season.........

[BHarvey]

Steering away from Isaac's hijack...

Why not 19 then, if Troon meet the criteria that is? My personal views are that an 18 team league would be ideal, but if not 18 then why not 19?

[cloughy]

troon are the only team who can go from junior football now ,so replace troon with ludgvan because we all no they will struggle again ,and make the league 19 teams ,but that wont happen because they will keep ludgvan in ,if perranporth go up ,

[sammo 66]

if perranporth are going up they will have to improve the away closet ( sorry changing room ) its so small a five a side team would struggle to change in it

also i believe the team who finish bottom should always go down. cornishteddyboy might not agree with me as it was penzance last season

[isaac rosenberg]

There is nothing to discuss.....the rules are quite clear !

Fortunately we have moved on from the days of unelected club "representatives" engaging their prejudices by voting randomly and the likes of Roberts on the top table openly voting for his proteges. There is now a proper structure based on performances on the pitch rather than who kicked Vidal James forty-five years ago.

Assuming grounds and facilities are up to scratch, Perranporth should go up and Troon should replace them.

No other club from the SWPL West has applied to come down. According to league rules, the Combo could only vote to reduce to 18 clubs from the start of the 2010-11 season. If it did, I would organise an appeal to CCFA, unless those thus voting can provide minutes of club committee meetings which mandate them to take this line.

Because only one club, Troon, has correctly applied to come in, and finished in the requisite league position, Ludgvan, assuming tyhey want to remain in senior football, should appeal to CCFA if there is any attempt to eject them from the league.

The 19 club option is an utter doozer, leaving random teams without a Saturday game, giving Roberts more opportunities to mess with the fixturing to help Helston, and increasing the likelihood of the disruption of junior football with Combo ringers just as a 17 club south-western league used to disrupt the Combo.

Fortunately some clubs are now learning that it is foolish to allow their stars to turn out in lower leagues at places where they may be targeted for a particular kicking.

Regarding ground inspection, I wouldn't put it past Roberts and James to move the goalposts on this one, so I hope Troon are inspected by league officers other than the Terrible Two. Good luck to them: Matt Harris has done excellent work in pulling up a club that was nearly defunct and they will be an ornament to the Combo. :clapper:

[cornishteddyboy]

There is nothing to discuss.....the rules are quite clear !

Fortunately we have moved on from the days of unelected club "representatives" engaging their prejudices by voting randomly and the likes of Roberts on the top table openly voting for his proteges. There is now a proper structure based on performances on the pitch rather than who kicked Vidal James forty-five years ago.

Assuming grounds and facilities are up to scratch, Perranporth should go up and Troon should replace them.

No other club from the SWPL West has applied to come down. According to league rules, the Combo could only vote to reduce to 18 clubs from the start of the 2010-11 season. If it did, I would organise an appeal to CCFA, unless those thus voting can provide minutes of club committee meetings which mandate them to take this line.

Because only one club, Troon, has correctly applied to come in, and finished in the requisite league position, Ludgvan, assuming tyhey want to remain in senior football, should appeal to CCFA if there is any attempt to eject them from the league.

At last we agree Rodney.

20 teams it is, 20 teams it stays.

Rules are rules and can only be altred by the league's own clubs.

[a little bit of a dinho]

Ludgvan need to be relegated.

With them losing by 10+ goals to nil, it makes the league look like a joke. Less sentiment.

[riggins74]

Great to hear some off the views from other clubs, as a part of the management team at Troon we hope we meet the critera for senior status on May 31st, Matt Harris has worked his socks off this year on making improvements to the facilties.

If anybody has recently made a trip up to Grouter Park I could assure you a few eyebrows would be rasied. Here is just a quick list on what has been achieved so far.

1. New re-layed and extended Car Park for around approx 80-100 cars.

2 Re Furbished Changing Rooms. Painted Internal and External.

3. New Officials Changing Rooms accomadating 3 persons.

4. New Clubhouse and Kitchen which would host meals after the game along with tea's and coffee's.

5. New Pitch this year which has barriers all round the pitch with sponsers advertising boards fulfulling pitch side.

6. New Stand. Even though rather small it's a shelter that many clubs do not have.

7. Of course all the materials that have been used and labour work has been the biggest cost, it runs into a lot of money.

it's always quite easy to mock the efforts made by indidvduals but hopefully it will show on May the 31st that we are serious about senior football coming back to Troon Football Club.

I am fully aware that the time I spent with Holmans the decision still lies with the JCCL commitee and they will deem if the efforts we have made this year have been substantial enough to provide a talented bunch of lads a chance at Senior football, im positive we would made the league a stronger one if given the chance.

Cheers

Reno

[cornishteddyboy]

What have you done about the mole hills or the away team dug out? Got some nice photo's but don't know how to attach them to these posts.

I'll find out and post them.

[riggins74]

Thanks Cornish Teddy boy for your positive post, the dugouts have been completed for a few months now and off are a good size.

As for our moles they have been treated and not sure how they are doing as i am unable to look under ground, but its all undercontrol after two visits from pest control. :thumbsup:

[isaac rosenberg]

Troon Moles are all right !

It's when they start breeding with the St Ives rabbits you've got to watch out. With our invading armies of badgers at St Just, all we need is a toad and a rat and we could rewrite Wind in the Willows !

Vidal James and John Roberts, can you help with this literary project ? :drink:

[legend or leg-end]

TO ME YOU SHOULD ONLY GET PROMOTION IF YOU FINISH TOP AND GOT THE FACILITIES .

IF YOU FINISH BOTTOM AS IN LUDGVAN'S CASE WITH BARELY A POINT YOU AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH TO BE IN THE LEAGUE AND SHOULD BE RELEGATED .

ENOUGH SAID

[A One And A Six]

Troon Moles are all right !

It's when they start breeding with the St Ives rabbits you've got to watch out. With our invading armies of badgers at St Just, all we need is a toad and a rat and we could rewrite Wind in the Willows !

Vidal James and John Roberts, can you help with this literary project ?

I got tackled by one of those Troon moles once!!! Troon should go up if theyre making all the effort to meet the requirements and although they didnt win Mining One, they will still have a much bigger impact in the Combo league then Ludgvan!

:c:

[cornishteddyboy]

The earth under Troon's pitch must be like an Aero Bar full of holes!

When did you say you finished the 2nd dugout cos I've got photo's dated 20/2/09 and they weren't done then. So they couldn't have been finished "months ago" as stated.

I'll put them on the website.

I'll post the url's tomorrow as I'm off watching footy this evening.

[cloughy]

just like to say the dugout roofs have been on for about 3 months ,we are a small club trying to get in to senior football ,i have been in football for 15 years and no ground in combo is perfect ,at least the players at troon are helping out in the spare with the building works ,most players at clubs in combo are thier for money ,and most of them dont give a fu k wot happens to their grounds never mind helping out in spare time ,keep up the good work boys we will get their gaff : :drink:

[green & white]

just a think out loud....will the fact troon pulled out of combo not so many years ago have any bearing on their promotion back to the combo? u no what people can be like!!!!!!!

[cornishteddyboy]

Hope it works. Click on the links then on your own back button.

http://www.comboleaguearchive.110mb.com/troon%20pictures.htm

[treasure parks no 1]

cornish teddy boy great pics aven't laughed so much for ages, reno fair dews mate i know you are trying up there but those pics tell a different story, mole hills like everest, dugouts incomplete and clubhouse well leave that to everyone else to comment on, i wish troon every success in their bid for promotion to jollys you deserve it for all your hardwork you have my vote...

[Lil-Miss-Cornwall]

CTB Didn't take those pictures, i did! He has just taken since february half-term to upload them, slow....

The biggest mole hill was up to my knee... :P

[John Mead]

As posted earlier by CTB, all promotion/relegation issues for the Combo are decided by a Joint Liaison Commiittee - comprising of representatives of Combo, Mining & Fal/Helston Leagues; this committee will meet shortly to make the necessary decisions - which are then binding.

I know that Leagues below Step 7 are not part of the official "National League (or Pyramid) System", governed by rules set by the F.A. but the JLC have adopted similar - but simplified - rules to determine promotion/relegation issues. The accepted practise throughout the NLS is that any Club finishing bottom is "saved" from relegation if the Club finishing top of its' League is promoted and there is no relegated Club from the League above to take its' place.

The present "agreement" between the 3 Leagues will need to be re-written when the amalgamation of the Falmouth/Helston & Mining Division Leagues comes into being and now would be a good time for Clubs to discuss the situation and send written suggestions for such changes to their respective League Secretaries.

[thejman]

Hope it works. Click on the links then on your own back button.

http://www.comboleaguearchive.110mb.com/troon%20pictures.htm

As said before CTB these pictures were taken in Feb!! over 3 months ago! alot can happen in 3 months, you may of even got laid, but i doubt that very much!! lol!

As Reno and Cloughy have already said on this thread alot of work has been done up the pitch, and even though in the pics the pitch does not look up to scratch with those mole hills, i can reassure you that all the faults in your pics have been rectified, and the facilities and pitch we have at Troon are now on par with many of the Combo grounds, mole hills have gone, and the pitch is better than a good handful of the pitch's already!

Anyway i just wanted to have my say as it seems like all CTB and a few others have to say is bad things regarding a junior team who have done nothing but try and do thier best with what little resources and man power they have. we do not have a groundman like alot of combo clubs, so we all have to pitch in and help out where we can. So rather than putting clubs down CTB it would be nice to get yourself up the pitch soon and see the difference from the pictures and then come back on here and apologise to Troon AFC for all the put downs.

i would also like to quickly add another note, we at Troon were told our car park had to be extended to be able to hold a min of 80 cars.....so we have done that, but i would like to see a few of the other clubs around get 80 cars into thier car park....illogan,perranwell, o and Penzance??! if the clubs applying for senior football need to meet this criteria then the clubs already in the leagues should have to meet the same criteria by a certain deadline or face a hefty fine...

again just my opinon, but one i had to bring to light.

[St Darren]

just like to say the dugout roofs have been on for about 3 months ,we are a small club trying to get in to senior football ,i have been in football for 15 years and no ground in combo is perfect ,at least the players at troon are helping out in the spare with the building works ,most players at clubs in combo are thier for money ,and most of them dont give a fu k wot happens to their grounds never mind helping out in spare time ,keep up the good work boys we will get their gaff :

You say about players at combo clubs being there for the money??? I'd say that Troon have a few players that are playing there for a few quid a game!!

[thejman]

like who st darren?

[riggins74]

Cornishteddyboy, you have obviously have some vendetta’s or alternative motive against Troon Football Club by the look of your remarks, you are making that a little too obvious, as for the photo's i can appreciate that at times this year our ground has resembled a building site, but was Rome built in a day, i think not. It's also quite strange that you felt the need to taked pictures at our ground. Any reasons for this ????????? My above comments kinds of answer that i guess.

You sound a reasonably educated person so i will not make judgement until perhaps you visit Grouter Park and review our facilities at present, your pictures my friend our about 3/4months old, I can assure that the picth,clubhouse and changing rooms have been totally re vamped as per my previous post, unfortunately digital camera's have not become that widely used in Troon at the moment but will endeavour to ascertain one from my local contacts within Camborne.

Darren you should know better no to comment as you are obviously reading post's that is reading an incorrect picture.

Please make judgement when everything is in place and this will be done on by the 31st May, It will be then for the committee to decide if our application has been successful.

Thanks John for you informative post, just one question which I believe that Mr Beer has already brought forward, any new rules regarding promotion or relegation would have to be passed by the relevant ajducators/commitee's, this could only be implemented for the 2010/11 season, am I rcorrect ?

[St Darren]

Reno, I only go on what I hear, putting it in the mix shall we say. With certain players, money is always going to be talked about. Send me a PM if you want.

I got told last week that one player was getting £30 a game at Troon.

With regards to the ground, regardless of when the pic was taken, what has happened out there? I'm sure when I played a semi final out there 5 or 6 years ago, the ground and facilities were fine, or am I just picturing a different scene?

I hope Troon get in the combo soon, that ground was witness to the greatest goal that Treve Sims ever scored for Aggie!!!

[cornishteddyboy]

Couple of points.

Nothing against Troon, just the point that someone said that the dugout was finished "months ago". My picture says not.

In fact one of my best memories come from Troon. I was watching a Troon v Pz match up there with the wind blowing a gale as it does most of the time up there. I don't know if anyone remembers there used to be a tiny stand at Troon with shelter for about 5 people. Wooden frame covered in corregated iron. It was so windy that it blew over with me in it. Happy days. No home supporters just away supporters. Is it still the same playing in front of no-one?

While I was up there had a chat to your chairman. He told me what you were planning, etc.

2nd. We were taking photos for the combo website to show people grounds of teams that were or are members of the combo. Trouble is my daughter who took the photos left the date on them as she had only just bought the camera.

On that particular day we took photos at Marazion, Porthleven, Helston, Peranwell, Penryn, Carharrack, Troon and Portreath. We've got to go back because of the date on the photos. Pitty we couldn't have pictures of Carharracks original ground and also we have to take photos at Rosudgeon as Marazion played there for 13 years.

[John Mead]

Yes you're correct Riggins74, that would be the earliest any changes could be implimented.

[cloughy]

we have until 31st may to get everything done ,we have spent over 20.000 on bringing up the stardard to senior football,if anyone has a problem with troon facilities please pm me and i will show you around ,can someone tell me who has over 65 advertising boards around their pitch ,it would be nice to no,i bet the hole league put together dont have that many ,troon army will be going to combo :c:

[BHarvey]

we have until 31st may to get everything done ,we have spent over 20.000 on bringing up the stardard to senior football,if anyone has a problem with troon facilities please pm me and i will show you around ,can someone tell me who has over 65 advertising boards around their pitch ,it would be nice to no,i bet the hole league put together dont have that many ,troon army will be going to combo

Having 65 wonky wooden advertising boards all advertising Matt Harris carpentry doesn't make a club senior

I hear the boys down at St Just are still looking for their stand roof... :ninja:

[Jasa]

Reno, I only go on what I hear, putting it in the mix shall we say. With certain players, money is always going to be talked about. Send me a PM if you want.

I got told last week that one player was getting £30 a game at Troon.

With regards to the ground, regardless of when the pic was taken, what has happened out there? I'm sure when I played a semi final out there 5 or 6 years ago, the ground and facilities were fine, or am I just picturing a different scene?

I hope Troon get in the combo soon, that ground was witness to the greatest goal that Treve Sims ever scored for Aggie!!!

I sincerly doubt that!!

[St Darren]

Jase,

I aint joking, 35 yard volley that crashed in off the bar. Obviously don't ask him about it, cos he won't stop talking about it!!!

[riggins74]

Troon have had their inspection today by Alan Walace, as from a conversation to our committee the JCCL were delighted with our facilties and did not pick up on anything that needs to be corrected, they were delightedby the efforts that have been achieved since their last visit. Also confirmed that Perranporth have been accepted into the Pennisula league and that the combo league is not being reduced, so reading through the lines we are feeling fairly positive this evening.

Well done to Matt and the lads who have worked tremendoulsy hard throughout. We will be attending the meeting in the 2nd week in June where we hope that Troon FC are confirmed back into senior football, i also guess this means Ludgvan have escaped relegation.

[isaac rosenberg]

Congratulations to Troon, particularly the guys who have worked so hard on the ground there. Glad to see the leagues did what I told you the rules said they had to do ! were going to do ! I must say I was getting a bit concerned top see how much of the anti-Troon opinions on here were being thrown in by old friends from Penzance. What is it about the Pies that makes them think they are so damn important ? Could it be that lots of Troon players have also turned out for the Tinners and the clubs are natural allies ?

We don't need a stand roof at St Just : we're not like these soft little fairweather supporters who can't handle a bit of rain. When my players get soaked maintaining one of the best home records in the Combo, it's an honour to experience the same weather. Good job Tap Tap Trevor brought his anorak up there even when the sun was shining....

Tinners are the top Combo side in Penwith....the league table doesn't lie. :D