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    Dave Bartlam reacted to TheolderIgetthebetterIwas in RESULTS - Saturday 11 September 2021   
    This thread is now a VAR discussion! 
    Was he right - was he wrong?
    Goal given, penalty not given...evened out didn't it.
    Penryn not playing that well and got chased and harried down all afternoon,  chances missed again but in reality lost to two wicked deflections.
    Well played by Sticker, game plan worked...move on I say.
    Referee and lino's had a fair game in my opinion, and tackles in a football match, now there's a strange phenomenon...git on wiv it.
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    Dave Bartlam got a reaction from Keith B in RESULTS - Saturday 11 September 2021   
    Incorrect. It's not the original ball that counts in this scenario. It's not an offence to be stood in an offside position.
    If the ball has been deliberately played by an opponent and it falls to a player who is in an offside position, no advantage is gained and thus, there is no offside. 
    'A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent.'
     
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    Dave Bartlam got a reaction from The waltz in RESULTS - Saturday 11 September 2021   
    Incorrect. It's not the original ball that counts in this scenario. It's not an offence to be stood in an offside position.
    If the ball has been deliberately played by an opponent and it falls to a player who is in an offside position, no advantage is gained and thus, there is no offside. 
    'A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent.'
     
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    Dave Bartlam got a reaction from RAPPO in TRELAWNY LEAGUE - Saturday 11 September 2021   
    It is.  We have a Sunday League game in the morning which means that the Reserves players that had agreed to play in that must travel straight from Falmouth to Helston for a second game, some of them can't play so we've had to call on more Flexi League players.
    We see it as being pro-active but it is simply papering over the cracks.  
    I think it is absolutely ludicrous that we are forced to have someone with absolutely no refereeing experience or sound knowledge of the Laws of the Game being thrown into a situation where they have absolutely no idea what to do.  We have trained and experienced referees that have tough games in The Trelawny League, games that test them - however the FA find it necessary to chuck someone completely unqualified into these games a Match Officials.  'It's okay, they have the full power of a registered referee'... That's all well and good but they don't have the knowledge or experience to deal with it.  
    Personally, I will not let someone from my Club be put in that situation.  It isn't fair and all we are doing is covering a problem.  Whilst the FA are fully aware of the situation at the grassroots level, the games are being played so no issues arise in terms of fixture congestion.  Everything is fine and dandy!
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    Dave Bartlam got a reaction from TheolderIgetthebetterIwas in RESULTS - Saturday 11 September 2021   
    Incorrect. It's not the original ball that counts in this scenario. It's not an offence to be stood in an offside position.
    If the ball has been deliberately played by an opponent and it falls to a player who is in an offside position, no advantage is gained and thus, there is no offside. 
    'A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent.'
     
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    Dave Bartlam reacted to ArseneWanger in TRELAWNY LEAGUE - Saturday 11 September 2021   
    I agree Dave. Very fair and let the game flow pretty well.. 
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    Dave Bartlam reacted to MARKSY in RESULTS - Saturday 11 September 2021   
    Liam Mankee top bloke top ref knows the game well . 
     
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    Dave Bartlam reacted to Magic Mike in RESULTS - Saturday 11 September 2021   
    Cheers for the kind words rappo
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    Dave Bartlam reacted to ArseneWanger in TRELAWNY LEAGUE - Saturday 11 September 2021   
    Wrong Martin Williams 
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    Dave Bartlam reacted to Keith B in TRELAWNY LEAGUE - Saturday 11 September 2021   
    You're right Dave. This just isn't good enough. Bravo to those willing to step into the breech but - I can see massive problems ahead. It's hard enough for a qualified official to referee some games with all the abuse thrown at them. How an unqualified person, no matter how brave he or she is will cope, goodness knows. 
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    Dave Bartlam got a reaction from B Manning in TRELAWNY LEAGUE - Saturday 11 September 2021   
    It is.  We have a Sunday League game in the morning which means that the Reserves players that had agreed to play in that must travel straight from Falmouth to Helston for a second game, some of them can't play so we've had to call on more Flexi League players.
    We see it as being pro-active but it is simply papering over the cracks.  
    I think it is absolutely ludicrous that we are forced to have someone with absolutely no refereeing experience or sound knowledge of the Laws of the Game being thrown into a situation where they have absolutely no idea what to do.  We have trained and experienced referees that have tough games in The Trelawny League, games that test them - however the FA find it necessary to chuck someone completely unqualified into these games a Match Officials.  'It's okay, they have the full power of a registered referee'... That's all well and good but they don't have the knowledge or experience to deal with it.  
    Personally, I will not let someone from my Club be put in that situation.  It isn't fair and all we are doing is covering a problem.  Whilst the FA are fully aware of the situation at the grassroots level, the games are being played so no issues arise in terms of fixture congestion.  Everything is fine and dandy!
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    Dave Bartlam got a reaction from Raiders in TRELAWNY LEAGUE - Saturday 11 September 2021   
    Dropship Reserves v Helston Raiders has been moved to Sunday 12th September to enable us to get a referee. 
    Many thanks to the League, Luke Wilkes and Helston Raiders for helping us to get this arranged.
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    Dave Bartlam got a reaction from Keith B in TRELAWNY LEAGUE - Saturday 11 September 2021   
    It is.  We have a Sunday League game in the morning which means that the Reserves players that had agreed to play in that must travel straight from Falmouth to Helston for a second game, some of them can't play so we've had to call on more Flexi League players.
    We see it as being pro-active but it is simply papering over the cracks.  
    I think it is absolutely ludicrous that we are forced to have someone with absolutely no refereeing experience or sound knowledge of the Laws of the Game being thrown into a situation where they have absolutely no idea what to do.  We have trained and experienced referees that have tough games in The Trelawny League, games that test them - however the FA find it necessary to chuck someone completely unqualified into these games a Match Officials.  'It's okay, they have the full power of a registered referee'... That's all well and good but they don't have the knowledge or experience to deal with it.  
    Personally, I will not let someone from my Club be put in that situation.  It isn't fair and all we are doing is covering a problem.  Whilst the FA are fully aware of the situation at the grassroots level, the games are being played so no issues arise in terms of fixture congestion.  Everything is fine and dandy!
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    Dave Bartlam reacted to Midlandsman in DROPSHIP FC FIRST PRINTED PROGRAMME   
    No if you wish to make a donation your more than welcome but I will hand you the money on the day and its down to you what you wish to do with it, so far I have 25 programmes sold and hoping to get at least another 5 plus, be a bonus if can get more.
     
    For Peggy, Im down again next season and if Lanner FC wish to produce a programme, then Im more happy to help you and will have a chat on the 2nd October
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    Dave Bartlam reacted to Pitty in Referee shortage   
    The Referee shortage is not just down to abuse but a general wider issue of people no longer wanting to give up their valuable time so that others can do want they want to do with minimal appreciation received in return. The friendly, approachable good natured clubs, teams and individual players out there far outweigh the odd village idiot that abuse referees however Football is not just about playing, clubs need volunteers to run things and they are also in short supply and these priceless individuals are getting less and less as well. Their is a general apathy across grassroots football and sadly their is no golden solution.
    Reduction in needless over the top abuse of referees would help but their is a far deeper problem with people reluctant to give up their time or appreciate the people that do that needs a generational shift in the current attitude and clubs holding their members to account for stepping over the line before things will improve 
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    Dave Bartlam reacted to Roche Raider in Referee shortage   
    This sadly will only get worse. We have a vile and toxic culture which sees reprehensible behaviour tolerated & accepted. Even in some of the St Pirans movie clips, it's obvious that the abuse towards the ref is either etched out or swept under the carpet.

    The fact of the matter is, we have this vulgar approach which is often confused for being 'competitive' It stems from the top down. I've seen benches from teams such as Bodmin, Callington, St Blazey all engage in truly disgusting behaviour towards people who get a mere measly £30+ to officiate . Not that money should have any say in how someone is treated. Money can't heal when someone wants to physically maim you purely because you gave a throw in the opposite way.

    There's an abhorrent culture within this game that usually comes from the top officials within these clubs. Once management & clubs do it, players .subs & supporters too.

     
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    Dave Bartlam got a reaction from CRD in Trelawny League - Saturday 4 September 2021   
    Greta effort mate, well done to all involved. It's been a difficult two seasons so I bet it was a massive relief at full time. Well done 
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    Dave Bartlam got a reaction from CRD in Trelawny League - Saturday 4 September 2021   
    When was the last time Storm won a competitive game? 
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    Dave Bartlam reacted to Steve Carpenter in Referee shortage   
    Lets not forget that despite the new/reformed teams that have been elected in by the clubs the League is way down on the peak membership of @97 teams in 12-13.  Without those that joined the League for this season the numbers would have been in the low 40's.  After the leagues formation the number of clubs/teams declined continually until 17-18 and then stabilized @67.  The re-org in 19-20 saw the league lose 14 teams and when you take that into account numbers have been stable since.  The biggest factor is that over the last 10 seasons the number of referee's has declined faster than the number of clubs/teams.
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    Dave Bartlam reacted to We Two in Is it time the Peninsula League started using club lines person?   
    The point of referees administering the laws of the game, is explained  in full above.
    Rev Trunks performance on the pitch was only possible because he used the laws of the game to impose his authority on the match he was officiating at.
    His religious beliefs may have influenced his administration of the game, but he was only able to use the rules of football.
    These same rules do in general still exist, it's just that they are not administered by some present day refs who,s performance is affected more in fear of the marking system, than it is of imposing the rules of the game.
    Referees are paid according to their level of ability which in turn is hugely affected by the marking system, would any of the people who advocate large sums of money being paid to some mediocre players, blame refs who want to maintain their income in the present system ??
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    Dave Bartlam reacted to Postman Pat in Is it time the Peninsula League started using club lines person?   
    Think you are talking about Reverend Trunks. 
    Remember our combative central midfielder being fouled once, he got up and said Jesus christ. Rev. Trunks blew his whistle hard called him over and told him in no uncertain terms if he blasphemed like that again he would send him off
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    Dave Bartlam reacted to Foul Throw 3 in Is it time the Peninsula League started using club lines person?   
    Excellent thread. Praise for Dave in his thoughts on the situation and even if one or two change their mind set it's a positive I think. I tried it a few years ago, to "put back into the game" so to speak at youth level. Thought it was ok apart from the odd parent. Water off a ducks back. Until I did an u18s "friendly" one Sunday and thought bleddy hell what's the point after one game. And it was all from the side line. An awful example set by a few "managers" in one dugout because they were losing in a game they expected to win. I also did the Schwan's USA Cup in Minnesota in 2018, reffing approx 35games in 12days, both as AR and the middle. Some excellent referees on show from all over the world. But again, the only negative were parents. An injury time penalty against a Chicago side caused 2 parents to attempt to end my life  that was enough for me. I'll put it "back into the game" through managing and committee work. Less threat to life!
    Only a matter of time before club and in particular league committees are desperate too. 
    More thought for referees should be given on all the above. I mentioned similar on a post a few days ago about it being a one man job rather than having team mates, etc. Single point of failure but we all jump on every single mistake. SOME referees are human!
    I see Neil Pitt mentioned above by Dave. I doubt I'll have the pleasure of his whistle again as he's a westerner, but he did our friendlies vs Penryn Res and Penzance Res in July and I thought he was excellent. Didn't know he was an ex player but you could tell!
    Good luck to all who want to take up the whistle. But first I think a change in attitude is vital before we lose our local game.
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    Dave Bartlam reacted to FootballChat in Referee shortage   
    6.15pm kick off means teams and officials needing to be at the ground for 5.30pm latest really to have a full & proper warm up.
    How many players, managers and officials work until 5.30pm across the county and would need 30-45mins to travel to the match? Even if you kept the fixtures local you'd still have a number of players/referees that commute to work and would need a decent amount of time to get there.
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    Dave Bartlam got a reaction from Keith B in Is it time the Peninsula League started using club lines person?   
    I appreciate that, thank you.
    This is why I got into reffing - I played, fed up with games being called off so I took the course. I've dabbled between playing and reffing over the past few seasons but back reffing this season, obviously still playing when I can.
    I tried so hard when on the Trelawny Panel to get some players through the course and it's great to see some of them still either occasionally picking up the whistle or doing it full time. George McVey, Nick Tomba, Peggy Mitchell, Alan Smith, Neil Pitt, Sam Doble, Will Annear, Neil Stephens etc to name but a few all refereeing having come from  playing backrounds. I'm a firm believer that ex players make the best referees (although there are good ones that haven't played). 
    Let's hope more have a go soon
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    Dave Bartlam got a reaction from Keith B in Is it time the Peninsula League started using club lines person?   
    It's easy. The Trelawny games, in terms of progression, will not hamper a referees ability to get promoted. They certainly don't get demoted.  At level four (SWPL), club marks play a part in the banding. So because of that, referees try to 'manage' situations where in the lower league's, you'd just bin/send off. At level four, it's the first step that you get to be demoted as a referee. Refs want to officiate at the highest levels (Cornwall is a bit different due to travel, majority are happy at four) so they have to get the marks from observers and teams in order to retain that status.
    In my opinion, the top five causes of referees leaving the game are:
    Abuse during the game
    Abuse after the game on social media
    Family/other commitments 
    Better things to do on a Saturday 
    Travel
     
    It is only going to get worse.
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