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BOND TIMBER CORNWALL JUNIOR CUP - 2nd ROUND - Saturday October 28th 2017

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(all 2.00pm)

2nd Round

St Breward      7-1            Week St Mary

Grampound        2-4         Callington Town Third Team       

Kilkhampton       4-1          Polperro Reserves          

St Ann's Chapel 1-10             Torpoint Athletic 3rd Team         

Foxhole Stars    5-1        St Dominick Reserves    

St Mawgan       H/W            Delabole United              

Dobwalls Reserves     7-3             Morwenstow Reserves 

Tintagel           4-5        St Merryn

Holywell And Cubert     3-2          Mevagissey Reserves    

Rame Peninsula              P-P           Gerrans & St Mawes Utd

Roche Reserves           0-4             Lostwithiel         

St Minver Reserves      4-1         Looe Town FC Reserves 

North Hill          3-3            Lanivet Inn         (North Hill win 9-8 on pens, aet 3-3 at 90 mins)

Queens Rangers            1-5        Rosudgeon        (aet, 1-1 at 90 mins)

Frogpool & Cusgarne    4-2         Ludgvan Reserves           

Illogan RBL A Team         1-0       Threemilestone

St Ives Mariners         1-5             Wendron United Reserves          

Penwith Exiles   7-1          Lanner

Falmouth DC   2-3          Stithians     (aet, 2-2 after 90 mins)

Penryn Athletic 3rd      14-2            Chacewater       

Troon AFC        0-10         Lizard Argyle

St Day Reserves       5-4           Perranporth Reserves   (aet, 3-3 after 90 mins)

St Kew Utd      1-2              Ruan Minor       

New Inn Titans  1-0            Constantine

St Columb Major         2-3              Penzance reserve           

Storm FC                        2-3              St Buryan

Mousehole 2nd Team    3-1        Helston Athletic Third    

Halsetown AFC      1-1             Mawnan (Halsetown win 5-4 on pens)

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Rame Peninsula vs Gerrans & St Mawes has been postponed. 

On a side note who, and what are the details of the company I need to inform that it’s off as it’s nothing to do with Duchy ....

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You'll need to contact the Duchy Fixtures Secretary, Paul Murphy (referee appointments), Cornwall FA themselves as it's their competition, the assigned match official and the opposition team secretary. 

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Penzance Reserves, the lowest placed Trelawny side still in the competition travelled to St Columb Major, who sit on top of Duchy Div 2. Penzance raced into a 3-0 lead and allowed St Columb to come back at them as they eased off. St Columb managed to grab two goals back before the referee blew the final whistle. That is two sides from higher divisions that The Magpies have defeated so far. I wonder where the third round will take us.

What a great set-up at St Columb, a t-hut selling pasties and chocolate M & M's. That was dinner sorted.

Report to follow.  

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39 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

Mousehole reserves 3 -1 helston 3rds 

Chris Bullock 

Jamie Simons 2 

cracking game. well done toomousehole too strong for Helston but they nearly pulled it back. both teams played great football. mousehole will be a hard team to stop from what I seen today.

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Queens Rangers 1 - 5 Rosudgeon AET

Fairly even 1st half, with Ben Mitchell saving a dubious penalty, but Rangers stepped it up 2nd period and found the visiting keeper in fine form. The move of the match saw Jamie Seery come forward and swop a couple passes before blasting past the keeper in the 83 min. Queens then had 2 cleared off the line and the keeper make a blinding save, which turned the game.

The visitors pushed forward for an equaliser and after pin ball from a corner it fell nicely for a good finish in the 89 min.

Extra time both teams went for it and a post and keeper stopped the home side before a clear offside goal was scored, with the home linesmen somehow missing it.

The home side pushed forward in the 2nd period and got caught on the break for a couple of goals before another penalty.

The score doesn't do the game justice with Queens edging the chances and possession, but the game was played in a great spirit decently referred by Mr Paul Buscombe.

Good Luck to Rosudgeon in the next round. One or two quality players.

Proper Cup Football.

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St Annes Chappel 1 - 10 Torpoint 3rds

Torpoint were 4 up within 10 mins but gave away a penalty mid way through the first half which was saved by the keeper however the taker followed up the rebound. The St Annes keeper made a couple of decent saves but the Torpoint team were a bit wasteful hitting it close to the keeper. The ref wasn't great and sent off a St Annes player for a 2nd yellow that wasn't a yellow, 4 penalties in the match and a few more yellows that were a bit petty. The Torpoint Keeper looked to have got kicked off the ball and reacted with a push and both got a yellow but could have been red for the St Annes player on another day.

Tough pitch and a bit scrappy in the 2nd half but Torpoint go through

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3 hours ago, patch said:

Halestown 1-1 mawnan

connor Edgson for mawnan 

halestown won on penalties 

All got a bit confusing with the pens in the end, ABBA causing an issue. I thought Halsetown had won at 6-5 but they were eventually made to take another one to go 7-5 up and won it for definite. 

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2 hours ago, cornishlegend said:

St Martyn 5.4 tintagel 

St Martyn?

39 minutes ago, Cornishfootball said:

St Annes Chappel 1 - 10 Torpoint 3rds

Torpoint were 4 up within 10 mins but gave away a penalty mid way through the first half which was saved by the keeper however the taker followed up the rebound. The St Annes keeper made a couple of decent saves but the Torpoint team were a bit wasteful hitting it close to the keeper. The ref wasn't great and sent off a St Annes player for a 2nd yellow that wasn't a yellow, 4 penalties in the match and a few more yellows that were a bit petty. The Torpoint Keeper looked to have got kicked off the ball and reacted with a push and both got a yellow but could have been red for the St Annes player on another day.

Tough pitch and a bit scrappy in the 2nd half but Torpoint go through

There were three penalties; one for St Anns and two for Torpoint to score their 9th and 10th.

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3 hours ago, Thecupfootballblogger said:

All got a bit confusing with the pens in the end, ABBA causing an issue. I thought Halsetown had won at 6-5 but they were eventually made to take another one to go 7-5 up and won it for definite. 

Pens are only done with existing rules. The only change applies to what used to be called the League Cup. Alternate kickers,

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1 hour ago, RAPPO said:

Wouldn’t have put ABBA down as troublemakers to be honest, although great to see them watching local football!!! Especially the blonde one! Must admit that Bjorn did look a shifty fucker sometimes though! 😂

Yeah but you'd 'take a chance' on him though 😉

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Illogan Rbl 3rds 1-0 Threemilestone

A very good close encounter between two undefeated sides in there respective leagues, First 15-20 threemilestone had more of the ball and looked dangerous especially Tom Goodman and Mike Lloyd who's movement was extremely good early on, Illogan got a foothold in the game and created first real opportunity when Pete Norfolk got in down the right and his effort was well saved by the TMS keeper. Minutes later Illogan lost one of this season's best performers Anton Oliver through injury and minutes later things went from bad to worse when a mistimed tackle on the dangerous Lloyd in the box was a penalty rightly so definite Spot-kick luckily for us 16 year old Illogan keeper kieren tregidga saved it!

Oliver's replacement Robbie price had the best Illogan chance of half when a brilliant 1on1 save denied him after Jake merrifield picked the TMS defence open, last 5 minutes of half both teams had half chances from a couple of set pieces but half time all level 0-0

Early in second half Illogan came out a lot more aggressive and started winning every first and second ball however threemilestone pace on break was always a threat with Dave welfare and Tom fisher becoming more prominent as Illogan pushed forward, it came from a TMS attack when Illogan centre back Anthony Nicholls intercepted a pass and put a brilliant ball down sideline to Norfolk who raced past his opposing full back before playing it across to striker Sam waters who made no mistake and tucked it away 1-0 Illogan! 

The game next turned into a bit of a fiesty affair two committed sides who both wanted it, few yellows showed either side when things could of boiled over, Illogans job was to defend there lead and break quickly against a TMS team who were getting more forward at every available occasion, the real sour moment was around 15 minutes left a threemilestone player stamping on Illogan midfielder Aaron Richards the TMS player was shown a straight red card absolutely stupid act agreed by so many of the players team mates it was a competitive sometimes physical game but that went too far... Illogan brought on Malcolm nicholls to help close the game out for workhorse midfielder Jon Ayres,, Credit the rest of the TMS lads they kept coming and put lots of good crosses in but Illogan just won everything aerially and continued to guts it out with minutes to go Illogan thought they had breathing space when Sam waters curled a effort into far corner but a top draw save from the TMS keeper kept it at 1-0

The last action was a TMS corner where a good delivery was headed away by Captain Carl Stretton to Jake merrifield who carried it to near the half way line and shielded the ball for the final seconds. Full time whistle 1-0 Illogan great cup tie two committed in form sides who both left everything out there!

Cheers TMS boys all coming in after for few beers, hope rest season goes well for you :)

Illogan goalscorer

Sam waters

Joint man of the match

Daniel Jewell and Anthony Nicholls exceptional at the heart of the Illogan defence.

Next up huge league fixture up probus should be a cracker!

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14 hours ago, Fanfare said:

St Martyn?

There were three penalties; one for St Anns and two for Torpoint to score their 9th and 10th.

4 penalties, 1 for Torpoint and 1 for St Annes in 1st half, then 2 for Torpoint in 2nd half for 9th and 10th goals

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37 minutes ago, Oscar Lomax said:

Penryn Reserves 14 - 2 Chacewater 

Chacewater turned up with 10 men, Penryn 7 nil up at the break. Ref played just 35 minutes for both half's I think. 

Don't know what the prob is with Chacewater atm?

But they turned up to play , could have conceded  the game by saying can't raise a side , well done to Chacewater  for giving it a go hopefully you can regroup and have more players available .

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3 hours ago, stokefan1 said:

Illogan Rbl 3rds 1-0 Threemilestone

A very good close encounter between two undefeated sides in there respective leagues, First 15-20 threemilestone had more of the ball and looked dangerous especially Tom Goodman and Mike Lloyd who's movement was extremely good early on, Illogan got a foothold in the game and created first real opportunity when Pete Norfolk got in down the right and his effort was well saved by the TMS keeper. Minutes later Illogan lost one of this season's best performers Anton Oliver through injury and minutes later things went from bad to worse when a mistimed tackle on the dangerous Lloyd in the box was a penalty rightly so definite Spot-kick luckily for us 16 year old Illogan keeper kieren tregidga saved it!

Oliver's replacement Robbie price had the best Illogan chance of half when a brilliant 1on1 save denied him after Jake merrifield picked the TMS defence open, last 5 minutes of half both teams had half chances from a couple of set pieces but half time all level 0-0

Early in second half Illogan came out a lot more aggressive and started winning every first and second ball however threemilestone pace on break was always a threat with Dave welfare and Tom fisher becoming more prominent as Illogan pushed forward, it came from a TMS attack when Illogan centre back Anthony Nicholls intercepted a pass and put a brilliant ball down sideline to Norfolk who raced past his opposing full back before playing it across to striker Sam waters who made no mistake and tucked it away 1-0 Illogan! 

The game next turned into a bit of a fiesty affair two committed sides who both wanted it, few yellows showed either side when things could of boiled over, Illogans job was to defend there lead and break quickly against a TMS team who were getting more forward at every available occasion, the real sour moment was around 15 minutes left a threemilestone player stamping on Illogan midfielder Aaron Richards the TMS player was shown a straight red card absolutely stupid act agreed by so many of the players team mates it was a competitive sometimes physical game but that went too far... Illogan brought on Malcolm nicholls to help close the game out for workhorse midfielder Jon Ayres,, Credit the rest of the TMS lads they kept coming and put lots of good crosses in but Illogan just won everything aerially and continued to guts it out with minutes to go Illogan thought they had breathing space when Sam waters curled a effort into far corner but a top draw save from the TMS keeper kept it at 1-0

The last action was a TMS corner where a good delivery was headed away by Captain Carl Stretton to Jake merrifield who carried it to near the half way line and shielded the ball for the final seconds. Full time whistle 1-0 Illogan great cup tie two committed in form sides who both left everything out there!

Cheers TMS boys all coming in after for few beers, hope rest season goes well for you :)

Illogan goalscorer

Sam waters

Joint man of the match

Daniel Jewell and Anthony Nicholls exceptional at the heart of the Illogan defence.

Next up huge league fixture up probus should be a cracker!

It was no surprise Illogan got a foothold in the game once TMS subbed influential midfielder Jason Pearce after only 18 minutes. He dictated the play before being hauled in what can only be described as a strange decision. There was only then going to be one winner and it was no surprise that Illogan’s goal came from Sam Waters who’s as clinincal as they get.

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Frogpool 4-2 Ludgvan Reserves
Cornwall Junior Cup

On a perfect autumnal day for football - overcast, mild and with no wind - Frogpool welcomed Trelawney division 3 side Ludgvan Reserves to the Richard Jory for the second round of the Cornwall Junior Cup. And despite an intensive Frogpool warm up by Scott Jones, it was the away side that made the perfect start. After a sloppy first five minutes, midfield anchorman Kai Delaney gave away a free kick just on the right side of the area, which their forward, despite goalkeeper Lee Booker's call of "safe," expertly dispatched in off the bottom right post. However, rather than press the alarm bell and rollover in difficult conditions, Frogpool dug in. They soon created a couple of half chances - centre forward, Kevin Smith, might have done better after getting the right side of the defender and forcing the keeper into a save. Yet on the half hour, Frogpool's persistence paid off. A mis-hit Jack Mark Main corner alluded everyone apart from the ever-alert Martyn Jay on the back post who cooly poked the ball into an empty net. 1-1. Game on. 
While never a nasty match, some tasty tackles followed, leading to yellow cards for Frogpool's Darren Meagor and Ludgvan's popular no 6. Clearly referee Jamie Mooney was in no mood for playing nice.
Into the second half and a scrappy period ultimately resulted in Frogpool grabbing the game by the scruff of the neck. Timothy Hurrell, who marshalled the left side of the Frog's defence superbly, floated a beautiful free kick into the box, which alluded everyone, everyone except Mike Rollason, who on his weaker right foot rifled home from an acute angle. 2-1 to the Frogs.
With the wind in their sails, Frogpool continued to push, and soon were 3-1 up. Smith was put through by a pinpoint Meagor pass. And while his touch was not the best, the Ludgvan defenders, suspecting offside, stopped, leaving Smith to round the keeper and roll the ball into the empty net. With all eyes on Mooney, who had given the goal, the referee spoke to his linesman who had flagged for offside. There was only one decision: Frogpool were into a 3-1 lead.
Suspecting that their Junior Cup hopes were slipping away, Ludgvan pushed on. Booker made a superb save to keep them out. But unfortunately so did centre half Rowan Hartgroves, who despite a heroic effort to stop the ball from crossing the line, did so using his hand, albeit inadvertently, and was rightfully yellow-carded. Ludgvan's no 8 cooly put away the penalty. 3-2.
At this point Frogpool's tenacity shone through. With Neil J Carter introducing some extra energy into central midfield after replacing the solid Shaun Smith, a flowing move down the right saw Main find Jay, who found the back of the net. 4-2.
With the game petering out there was still time for substitute Nick Lasseter to have an impact. A 50-50 challenge in the centre of the park became contentious, leading Mooney to reach for the red card. Just 70 seconds after joining the game, Lasseter was off. 
Suspecting a shift in momentum, Ludgvan again pushed for the two goals they needed. But ultimately they were denied with Jason Holt, Hartgroves, and Turrell towering at the back. The final whistle was met with scenes of delight, both on the pitch and on the sidelines. Frogpool advance to the next round.
Special thanks (as always) goes to Nick Mallabar, who's hard work from early in the morning ensured that the game went ahead. We were all delighted to get the result his effort deserved, and look forward to the draw for the next round.

MOTM: Tim Hurrell. A calming presence in the Frogpool defence since his pre-season transfer from Mabe. He was rock solid once again.

 

match report by Kevin Smith

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3 hours ago, Mama Sidibe said:

It was no surprise Illogan got a foothold in the game once TMS subbed influential midfielder Jason Pearce after only 18 minutes. He dictated the play before being hauled in what can only be described as a strange decision. There was only then going to be one winner and it was no surprise that Illogan’s goal came from Sam Waters who’s as clinincal as they get.

The lad in the middle that came off looked a very comfortable ball player and started most threemilestone attacks early on but don't think him coming off decided the result as the lad who went into his role Tom Goodman was Very good throughout, however I did think it was a strange decision early on however each manager has there own reasons for making decisions it! I maybe mistaken but I believe he came back on in the second half unfortunately for them didn't have as much as a impact in the latter part of the game 

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3 hours ago, YoungPercy said:

Frogpool 4-2 Ludgvan Reserves
Cornwall Junior Cup


Suspecting that their Junior Cup hopes were slipping away, Ludgvan pushed on. Booker made a superb save to keep them out. But unfortunately so did centre half Rowan Hartgroves, who despite a heroic effort to stop the ball from crossing the line, did so using his hand, albeit inadvertently, and was rightfully yellow-carded. Ludgvan's no 8 cooly put away the penalty. 3-2.

You mean incorrectly.

 

If deliberate then Law 12 states:

 

SENDING-OFF OFFENCES

A player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off:

  • denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (except a goalkeeper within their penalty area)

 

Another referee making up his own laws and making it harder for the rest who apply them correctly.

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18 minutes ago, Themanhimself said:

Penryn beat chacewater 14-2 not 4-2

So I subsequently understand, I guess the club needs to redo the result on the CCFA system. Still says 4-2 on there! 

 

9 minutes ago, Laws of the Game said:

You mean incorrectly.

 

If deliberate then Law 12 states:

 

SENDING-OFF OFFENCES

A player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off:

  • denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (except a goalkeeper within their penalty area)

 

Another referee making up his own laws and making it harder for the rest who apply them correctly.

Surely though the "albeit inadvertently" suggests it wasn't deliberate?

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29 minutes ago, Laws of the Game said:

You mean incorrectly.

 

If deliberate then Law 12 states:

 

SENDING-OFF OFFENCES

A player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off:

  • denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (except a goalkeeper within their penalty area)

 

Another referee making up his own laws and making it harder for the rest who apply them correctly.

A brave nom de guerre, young newby, I look forward to some interesting interactions with some of our esteemed  resident whistle blowers. Rules is one thing, interpretation quite another!

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Don't think the word "deliberate" was used??

pretty sure the ref applied the rules correctly. Pretty sure if penalty given and wasn't a clear attempt at denying a goal scoring opportunity then yellow card a sufficient punishment

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Might be good for you to have a chat with your fellow ref to discuss it in more detail. 

Just now, YoungPercy said:

Don't think the word "deliberate" was used??

pretty sure the ref applied the rules correctly. Pretty sure if penalty given and wasn't a clear attempt at denying a goal scoring opportunity then yellow card a sufficient punishment

Fair comment though by Laws of the Game - if it wasn't deliberate shouldn't have been penalised at all!

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2 minutes ago, Laws of the Game said:

Then it shouldn’t have been penalised at all. Handball is only penalised if deliberate. If not then play on!

Pretty sure no matter of deliberate or not it can still be a foul. Never deliberately foul another player, just mistimed. Not deliberate so guess that's not a foul?? 

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1 minute ago, YoungPercy said:

Don't think the word "deliberate" was used??

pretty sure the ref applied the rules correctly. Pretty sure if penalty given and wasn't a clear attempt at denying a goal scoring opportunity then yellow card a sufficient punishment

Which is my point. If the referee thought it wasn’t deliberate hand ball then it should be play on.

 

A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences:

  • handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within their penalty area)

 

 

HANDLING THE BALL

Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm.

The following must be considered:

  • the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
  • the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
  • the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence
  • touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.) is an offence
  • hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) is an offence

The goalkeeper has the same restrictions on handling the ball as any other player outside the penalty area. Inside their penalty area, the goalkeeper cannot be guilty of a handling offence incurring a direct free kick or any related sanction but can be guilty of handling offences that incur an indirect free kick.

1 minute ago, YoungPercy said:

Pretty sure no matter of deliberate or not it can still be a foul. Never deliberately foul another player, just mistimed. Not deliberate so guess that's not a foul?? 

Handball is the only offence in the LOTG which requires some deliberate act to be penalised.

 

A foul is a foul whether deliberate or not, the more deliberate the more likely the offence will be dealt with more seriously (with a yellow/red card)

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Still disagree with you. Penalty was given against us, completely understand why it was given. perhaps the ref considered all the above and his decision was a yellow and a penalty. Much prefer a ref to do that and apply common sense than whatever you would have applied 

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1 minute ago, YoungPercy said:

Still disagree with you. Penalty was given against us, completely understand why it was given. perhaps the ref considered all the above and his decision was a yellow and a penalty. Much prefer a ref to do that and apply common sense than whatever you would have applied 

You are entitled to that opinion. But if another referee next week correctly sends the player off then you shouldn’t bemoan them and say last weeks referee didn’t do that because this weeks referee is correct. 

 

If you were Ludgvan and with the sending off may have won the game would you be so calm?

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2 minutes ago, YoungPercy said:

Still disagree with you. Penalty was given against us, completely understand why it was given. perhaps the ref considered all the above and his decision was a yellow and a penalty. Much prefer a ref to do that and apply common sense than whatever you would have applied 

 

11 minutes ago, Bruegel the Elder said:

A brave nom de guerre, young newby, I look forward to some interesting interactions with some of our esteemed  resident whistle blowers. Rules is one thing, interpretation quite another!

That's why we only have one referee! Two referees = two opinions, three referees, a bloody nightmare!

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