Foot Loose 1 Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 According to Rule 7a the first round of the Junior Cup will not be played earlier than the first Saturday in October. The rule says a. i. The first round of the Junior Cup Competition will not be played earlier than the first Saturday in October each year. Does this mean all games have to be replayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruegel the Elder Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 Oops. How very dare you, go 'round checking up on the rules, and then expecting them what made them to abide by them. Shame on you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morph Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 17 hours ago, Foot Loose 1 said: According to Rule 7a the first round of the Junior Cup will not be played earlier than the first Saturday in October. The rule says a. i. The first round of the Junior Cup Competition will not be played earlier than the first Saturday in October each year. Does this mean all games have to be replayed. I'm guessing you lost yesterday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob-Englefield Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Morph said: I'm guessing you lost yesterday? This thought came straight to my head Morph when I saw this post. Glad it wasn't just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave James Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 So is anybody that lost going to appeal ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foot Loose 1 Posted October 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 My point was can ALL clubs fine the CCFA for a breach of their rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldy Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 Big Al will write the letter for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Carpenter Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 This rule is deliberately written using the word 'will' to give flexibility in circumstances where, as was the case this year, the last Saturday in September falls on the 30th or thereabouts. If the word 'shall' had been used instead of 'will' then yes, the rule would not have been followed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruegel the Elder Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 Hmmm a little more clarity could have been achieved by substituting the word should, or alternatively by having no such rule at all, allowing the C.C.F.A. to schedule the game for whenever they choose, as seems to be the case in practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panda Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 I can not see what you are getting at Steve. By saying WILL NOT be played before the first Saturday in October means exactly that. There is no leeway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asterix Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 Let's be honest. Does it really matter? Normally we are moaning about how we haven't got a game or the seasons gone 4 weeks without a fixture. Does it matter the first round has been played a day earlier than the month of October? If said team debating the rule IF you're officiated to any team/club had won their said fixture would you be moaning about such a ruling? Are you that perfect at managing a fixture list, or structuring a league and cup / cups campaign then why don't you drop your CV into the CCFA and show these chaps and ladies who put the effort in time and time again how it's done? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Carpenter Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 12 hours ago, panda said: I can not see what you are getting at Steve. By saying WILL NOT be played before the first Saturday in October means exactly that. There is no leeway. In rules and regulations 'will' is used to express an intent or desire to do something; 'shall' on the other hand is prescriptive i.e. it's mandatory and if you were to word search on any leagues rules I'm sure you'd find many, many more instances of 'shall' than 'will' for precisely this reason. The rule as it is written gave, this year, the option to play the first round on 30th September which the Competitions Committee clearly chose to do. There's nothing new in this wording. When the rules were re-written in 2013 this was a direct copy across from the old rules. And lest we forget, the dates for this years JC rounds were published months ago. I suspect some, hopefully lighthearted, mischief making by Foot Loose as I know he understands the difference. 17 hours ago, Bruegel the Elder said: Hmmm a little more clarity could have been achieved by substituting the word should, or alternatively by having no such rule at all, allowing the C.C.F.A. to schedule the game for whenever they choose, as seems to be the case in practice. Possibly. But for various reasons it's not always possible for all clubs to play on the first date and it's written as 'shall' then what do you do? The current wording gives a clear statement of intent as to when the competition will start and the actual date is published well in advance. Last year the first round was on 1st Oct. and in 2015 the 3rd Oct.; dates which pretty much fell on the same weekend as this years. As Asterix says, does it really matter that much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foot Loose 1 Posted October 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 The term 'will' does possibly give options, but does the term 'will not' further define the position. If the clubs breach the rules they get fines, therefore when the CCFA breach the rule should they not get fined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Carpenter Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 13 minutes ago, Foot Loose 1 said: The term 'will' does possibly give options, but does the term 'will not' further define the position. No. Shall not would but that has clearly not been used. 14 minutes ago, Foot Loose 1 said: If the clubs breach the rules they get fines, therefore when the CCFA breach the rule should they not get fined. The rule as written has not been breached. If your not happy with it propose an amendment. Should any county FA breach their rules they would be held to account by those further up the food chain should a complaint be made and upheld. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin McHugh Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 Off to watch some paint dry now, anyone want to join me MQx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruegel the Elder Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 7 minutes ago, Martin McHugh said: Off to watch some paint dry now, anyone want to join me MQx Will do, grass ain't growing so fast nowadays! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Hart Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 On 02/10/2017 at 12:36, Steve Carpenter said: This rule is deliberately written using the word 'will' to give flexibility in circumstances where, as was the case this year, the last Saturday in September falls on the 30th or thereabouts. If the word 'shall' had been used instead of 'will' then yes, the rule would not have been followed. Nice. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris wells Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 who gives a s*** . least the games got played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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