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Keith B

Arsenal and Wenger.

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I think the players are in their comfort zone. Sickens me. All millionaires. You say "leaders". But these are grown men, can they not step up when the going gets tough? Do they need their dad out there guiding them? Just look at Wenger, answers every time at every press conference. They're (the media) are all after his skin, but he stands up for himself and his club and his players every time, every game. How can they not respect that, same as the fans? You mention Leicester, where you allude to the fact that  the players are now grafting whereas they weren't for Ranieri. Is that the solution, sack the man responsible for assembling the team if they fall into their comfort zone, to get them playing at their full potential again? Crap isn't it. Get rid of the "high maintenance" players, such as Sanchez. I'm certain that he has a negative effect on some of the others. 

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9 minutes ago, Mangle said:

I think the players are in their comfort zone. Sickens me. All millionaires. You say "leaders". But these are grown men, can they not step up when the going gets tough? Do they need their dad out there guiding them? Just look at Wenger, answers every time at every press conference. They're (the media) are all after his skin, but he stands up for himself and his club and his players every time, every game. How can they not respect that, same as the fans? You mention Leicester, where you allude to the fact that  the players are now grafting whereas they weren't for Ranieri. Is that the solution, sack the man responsible for assembling the team if they fall into their comfort zone, to get them playing at their full potential again? Crap isn't it. Get rid of the "high maintenance" players, such as Sanchez. I'm certain that he has a negative effect on some of the others. 

Sanchez up until his injury was by far Arsenals best player , WBA certainly did a number on him ox looks better in midfield central ,  and that was it really  , Thiery  said when he was at Arsenal there was always bust ups on the training ground , he has great respect for Arsene and the club that he had so many great seasons with ,  there are plenty of players in the comfort zone , yes they are grown men but would Adams , Viera and Frank McClintock allow them to go down with a wimper , no they wouldn't  , where are the Keowns , Simpsons defenders with bite and a bit of spite ?  Bouldy just sits there , Pat Rice would be shouting to players instructions ,  off the pitch when Arsenal were most successful David Dein was doing the selling of Arsenal as a club to players he had vision he brought Arsene to the club , what happens he gets dumped on by the board because he backed Usmanov not silent Satan who brings over Ivan the terrible to replace him from the background of the American soccer league .  Arsene doesn't shy away from questions by the media the bloody real culprit s hide behind him , it's a mess i am afraid  and i can only see the pressure building on him and the club , fans want answers but silent Satan sends out the old buffer Sir Fish and Chips to say the board is fully focused on the best for the club in other words more of the same for the fans and i mean fans who go to the Emirates and put money in the clubs coffers ,  not competitive for trophies but money making machine , surely there must be someone in the club to see things aren't right on the pitch ?   I think the board is in La La land .

 

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The club is making money. If your business was making money, would it be ok to say you were in "la la land"? Not really. As I said before, you have to live with that. Get Wenger out, and bring in another manager, who will face the same issues. It may help give the players in their comfort zone a wake up call, but shame you have to dump the manager to do that. And, no guarantee what happens next.

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All this rubbish about football is a buisness.

This was'nt mentioned when the Goons were qualifying every season for Champions League,or finishing above Spurs.

Now with even a top 6 finish being under serious threat,we have all the talk about Buisness,boards,owners ,making money.

Bottom line is on the  pitch,your demise have been predicted for a while by some.

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Well that sort of thing is rather easy. When someone is at the top, saying that demise is around corner is basically going to come true at some point. Liverpool, Man Utd, Chelsea and so on have tasted regular success and eventually gone backwards. Arsenal may well be in for a backwards step, tough for us supporters, and great for you lot to laugh at. I just hope they don't go too far and bounce back quickly.

The only reason why I go on about it being a business is because that is what it is. Money has ruined the game to a certain extent. But everyone keeps going on about Wenger, my point is that the board won't sack him, he is successful in a business sense. If a fan was running the club, he would have gone!

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My point is Arsenal's board has always been a money making machine,after David Dein departed,and Wenger is all part of it.

I have told you enough times what was happening and how it would turn out,but because of your success of Champions League qualification,and finishing above the YIDS,it was ignored. LOL.

Well my friend ,weather it was easy or not to predict,its happening.

The YIDS are the only team in North London,and the only time Wenger will be able to motivate your shower will be for your big Cup Final at WHL.

The future is Lilywhite.COYS.

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SSS some valid points , agree with Dein , board making money from Emirates ,  at present the way the team is i cant see it improving soon , city next another crunch game , dread to think about playing spuds  at present , can the manager , players motivate themselves ?   This season Spurs don't have to think about the gunners and can concentrate on their next game , Arsenal are now in a position were every game is a cup final  to try and get some points back on the board , Semi final coming up last week would have thought 50/50 against city but don't think so at present . The players bought in haven't really kicked on , Mustafi earlier in the season with Kos looked good but now they look like strangers , Perez can't even get on the pitch  Xhaka well he is the next challenge away from a red card , when Chelski paid less for Kante  . There seems to be an inevitable feeling around the team that when they go behind the games are lost , conceding lots of goals  , Sunday supplement seems to think Arsene will get a 12 months contract , because the board has no  plan B just like on the pitch at present , where will it all end?  in tears  i am afraid , something or someone needs to grab the Club by the scruff and sort it out soon , the soap opera that is Arsenal will continue .

 

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1 hour ago, stevieb said:

SSS some valid points , agree with Dein , board making money from Emirates ,  at present the way the team is i cant see it improving soon , city next another crunch game , dread to think about playing spuds  at present , can the manager , players motivate themselves ?   This season Spurs don't have to think about the gunners and can concentrate on their next game , Arsenal are now in a position were every game is a cup final  to try and get some points back on the board , Semi final coming up last week would have thought 50/50 against city but don't think so at present . The players bought in haven't really kicked on , Mustafi earlier in the season with Kos looked good but now they look like strangers , Perez can't even get on the pitch  Xhaka well he is the next challenge away from a red card , when Chelski paid less for Kante  . There seems to be an inevitable feeling around the team that when they go behind the games are lost , conceding lots of goals  , Sunday supplement seems to think Arsene will get a 12 months contract , because the board has no  plan B just like on the pitch at present , where will it all end?  in tears  i am afraid , something or someone needs to grab the Club by the scruff and sort it out soon , the soap opera that is Arsenal will continue .

 

Sad days stevieb. Watching the Arsenal match v West Brom I noticed that the co commentator again linked Eddie Howe to the Gunners, saying he was one being considered to take over from Wenger. Is this journalistic conjecture ? Eddie Howe, whilst a good manager and loved by his players and management alike, is still new to the Premier League. Yes his track record thus far is good and his style of play is admired by many, also his squeaky clean image would attract most clubs, but, he's very new and inexperienced at the top level. 

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No good thinking who will take over Arsenal as manager , as Arsene is still at the helm , shame that all the media and forum's are concentrating on what is going on behind the scenes including myself , and not for the football Arsenal was known for , you are correct Keith sad days for the fans , who will still be here when Arsene has decided his future and this non Football minded board has gone , this is the only constant in the future the fans , The Arsenal will go on but in what direction ?  

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17 minutes ago, somersetspur said:

The Goons freefall continue.

Man Utd win at Boro.

Goons down to 6th.

Can't worry about other teams and what they do ,  but perhaps in the grand scheme of things the board might get a worry that not getting in champs league will hit them where it hurts in the wallet  next season , as that is their sum total of success , making and taking money from the punters .    

The side show yesterday of Bannergate  , on various Arsenal websites the banner in favour of Arsene was paid for by a source from Hong Kong with links to Sir Fish and Chips family , if true priceless  ,  two planes for and against , could only happen to Arsenal   pantomime season has come early , honestly you couldn't make it up .?

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58 minutes ago, stevieb said:

Can't worry about other teams and what they do ,  but perhaps in the grand scheme of things the board might get a worry that not getting in champs league will hit them where it hurts in the wallet  next season , as that is their sum total of success , making and taking money from the punters .    

The side show yesterday of Bannergate  , on various Arsenal websites the banner in favour of Arsene was paid for by a source from Hong Kong with links to Sir Fish and Chips family , if true priceless  ,  two planes for and against , could only happen to Arsenal   pantomime season has come early , honestly you couldn't make it up .?

Spurs 2 Southampton 0. HT.

Just saying.

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A point at home , at least there was a bit of fight in the first half , put the fans quiet for a minute , in patches played better than the last few games , but don't move from sixth  which is were they deserve to be after the last few games .

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Having just watched Arsenal v Man City, oh dear not great football. Wenger needs to take a long look at his defence - in a word, it's awful. That said, the City defence are no great shakes either. Too much whistle spoiled the game as well. 

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Can't worry about the gap , can't worry about top four , have to worry though about the future of the club and which way it is going , the main worry is more of the same , Ivan the terrible had a meeting with the AST before todays game , allegedly he said the board are looking into the infrastructure , coaches , director of football , this was reported on Sky before and after the game , Thierry doesn't think Arsene would like someone running that side of the club as he is his own man and is very hands on . 

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I agree SSS. I think, for the first time in Premier League history, Spurs are going to finish ahead of Arsenal in the league. I don't think Spurs will win the title, although looking at Chelsea's run in, they do have some difficult fixtures. Liverpool, I would say, have the most appetizing run in for their supporters, an away trip to West Brom being the most tricky fixture they appear to have left! But I think both will come up short.

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11 hours ago, Mangle said:

I agree SSS. I think, for the first time in Premier League history, Spurs are going to finish ahead of Arsenal in the league. I don't think Spurs will win the title, although looking at Chelsea's run in, they do have some difficult fixtures. Liverpool, I would say, have the most appetizing run in for their supporters, an away trip to West Brom being the most tricky fixture they appear to have left! But I think both will come up short.

It may well be the first time in the premiership.

With us finishing above you,and you failing to qualify for the Champions League,its going to be a very long summer for you poor Goons.

I have told you for long enough,and been predicting the tide was turning.

The double is still on.

The future is Lilywhite.

COYS.

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When you say the same thing for long enough, of course it comes true, as I have said before. No skill in that. Spurs do have a rosy future by the looks of things right now, but things can change. And I do not think they have the strength to threaten winning the PL as well as competing in the CL. Came up well short this season. Like Arsenal, you require some good signings in the summer.

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22 minutes ago, Mangle said:

When you say the same thing for long enough, of course it comes true, as I have said before. No skill in that. Spurs do have a rosy future by the looks of things right now, but things can change. And I do not think they have the strength to threaten winning the PL as well as competing in the CL. Came up well short this season. Like Arsenal, you require some good signings in the summer.

Cant see to many signings in the summer. Maybe Isco,Zaha,or Dembele of Celtic,but Poch is happy with what he has got.

Big thing this summer,with the new Stadium getting closer,is keeping all our top players.

I have a feeling one big name might go to boost the finances.

Mind you,if we do the double ,it might change things.:P

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3 hours ago, Mangle said:

Behave. I actually predict that Chelsea will beat you in the semi-final, and as I already said, you will not get the PL title. Trophy-less, as usual, but then, you are used to that!!

Thanks for that.

So when Chelsea beat us,who will they meet in the final.???????

Premiership will still be difficult,but it is all about applying pressure if Chelsea slip.

I see the F.A.Cup a bit different. We will beat Chelsea,and would love to have your shower in the final.

Beat the Goons ,and achieve the double.

ITS ON.

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It is on, no doubt about that. The favourite for the cup is definitely in your semi-final. Whether it's Man City or Arsenal, they will be the underdog in the final against whoever it is. I am hoping Arsenal get there, then I will have someone to cheer in the final. Or if Spurs get there and Arsenal don't, at least i can cheer on Man City! In all fairness, it would be great for a Spurs/Arsenal final. What a climax to the season that would be.

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A good win, no doubt, after being 1-0 down with minutes left. But Chelsea won too, maintaining the gap with one game less to play. And I see Arsenal continue to slide this season, only a miserly win against West Ham, 3 goals to the good. Back into 4th, surely everyone can see the turmoil at this club, the disastrous state of affairs, the players not playing for the manager. How dare they continue to play this unrecognisable form of football, bringing continuous embarrassment upon us poor supporters. Please, sack the manager, change the directors and buy the complete Barcelona team to get back on track. Everyone can see it, so why do they continue with this nonsense situation. Sort it out.

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When you think Spurs were without half the first team.

No,Lloris,Rose,Wanyama,Lamela,and Kane.

That was a awesome effort.

As I said before.We cannot worry about Chelsea,just got to make sure we keep winning ,then IF Chelsea do slip,we are ready.

But we do look to be consolidating our 2nd spot.

COYS.

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10 hours ago, Mangle said:

A good win, no doubt, after being 1-0 down with minutes left. But Chelsea won too, maintaining the gap with one game less to play. And I see Arsenal continue to slide this season, only a miserly win against West Ham, 3 goals to the good. Back into 4th, surely everyone can see the turmoil at this club, the disastrous state of affairs, the players not playing for the manager. How dare they continue to play this unrecognisable form of football, bringing continuous embarrassment upon us poor supporters. Please, sack the manager, change the directors and buy the complete Barcelona team to get back on track. Everyone can see it, so why do they continue with this nonsense situation. Sort it out.

Yes a good win ,  but as a fan are you happy with the position the club is in ? Not about the business side but the playing side  are you happy to get top four each season ? Or do you want the club challenging for the title ?  This is about The Arsenal and the future on the pitch .Is it right fans fighting each other in the stands ? If Arsene is staying make the announcement now and it will put a  stop all the media speculation and at least the fans know what to expect and the team can focus on the cup semi .

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Yes I am happy. Of course I want the team to win trophies. Finishing top 4 is not the target, but to be at that level is challenging for the title. Second last season. Not good enough, but having a bleddy good go. Second best team in the whole league. Won nothing, so it's a disaster. Actually, it isn't. We are still in the FA Cup this season, semi final, two wins from winning a trophy, just like the other 3 teams left. I say, be careful what you wish for. The club is in good shape, and I will stand by them through thick and thin. Still in with a very good chance of qualifying for CL again. Is that not good enough? Or is only winning the title good enough? You ask "is it right that fans are fighting"? Of course not. But at a game hosting 60,000 supporters, and as many as 200 hold a protest, who ******* cares about the 0.33%. UP THE GUNNERS.

14 hours ago, somersetspur said:

 

But we do look to be consolidating our 2nd spot.

 

Seriously, you're gloating about consolidating 2nd spot. Arsenal have finished above Spurs for more than 20 years in a row, finishing second on several occasions. But all we heard was laughter. "Not winning anything" jibes. Well, what's good for the goose is good for the gander my friend.

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9 hours ago, Mangle said:

Yes I am happy. Of course I want the team to win trophies. Finishing top 4 is not the target, but to be at that level is challenging for the title. Second last season. Not good enough, but having a bleddy good go. Second best team in the whole league. Won nothing, so it's a disaster. Actually, it isn't. We are still in the FA Cup this season, semi final, two wins from winning a trophy, just like the other 3 teams left. I say, be careful what you wish for. The club is in good shape, and I will stand by them through thick and thin. Still in with a very good chance of qualifying for CL again. Is that not good enough? Or is only winning the title good enough? You ask "is it right that fans are fighting"? Of course not. But at a game hosting 60,000 supporters, and as many as 200 hold a protest, who ******* cares about the 0.33%. UP THE GUNNERS.

Seriously, you're gloating about consolidating 2nd spot. Arsenal have finished above Spurs for more than 20 years in a row, finishing second on several occasions. But all we heard was laughter. "Not winning anything" jibes. Well, what's good for the goose is good for the gander my friend.

Your answer is in your post.

For 20 years you say you been doing it.But the cycle is now on a downward spirral.

Spurs finished third last season,1st or 2nd this season and a trophy , is progressing with a young manager and squad.

Then to continue the progress with this squad and manager,we must win the Premiership.

Not quite the same as you shower.

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I think a lot of gooners forget There was an Arsenal FC before Arsene , you can't not but admire what he has done for the club , with trophies , new ground ,      colney  training ground , but we haven't won a title for thirteen years , second last season,  now that should have been the catalyst to push on  and build on that position  , the recent results have been rubbish , now this season top four isn't a given , might be a relief to not be in champs leaguel the club at present can't compete with the best that Europe has to offer ,. Now can any fan see that the board , coaches can change it all around  ?  I don't think they can , i would love to be proven wrong but on present showing  it is not happening , yes we have the FA cup to still play for but the board have stated that the club can compete with the top clubs ? Now is that down to them not pursuing Arsene recommended players or Arsenes own signings ?    Yes still a gooner and always will be but questions need answering or the unrest will carry on .

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Just now, Keith B said:

Pipe down all of you - I'm wishing I'd not started this ! :) Looks as if Wenger is staying - we will see.

Trouble when you go fishing you are not sure what you will catch Keith B , and you have certainly  stirred the pot .

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10 hours ago, stevieb said:

Trouble when you go fishing you are not sure what you will catch Keith B , and you have certainly  stirred the pot .

As said in an earlier post stevie, most managers would give their right arm to be in Arsenals position in the league. Ok, they are currently lacking silverware, but, they will be there or thereabouts at the end of the season and, next season too. If Wenger does leave, the Gunners are a big team with a great history - there will be no lack of applicants for the managerial post. 

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Keith the main problem is the uncertainty hanging over the club , the board should lead from the front and put the speculation to bed ,  Arsene does get respect from the majority of fans and they don't want him sacked , but can he  change and adapt to take on the younger managers?   And i agree when he does leave a lot of managers would throw their hat into the ring .    

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