Roy Keane is GOD!!! Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Morning Mangle ( no footie again today for me ! ) I will try to answer your questions with my own personal opinion,1. No idea did not bother to count,2. No rolling around was not justified, but players seem to think it`s the thing to do.3. No exaggeration/simulation was necessary,4. Not in my opinion,5. You would need to ask the player about his intentions, I would not attempt to second guess.6. Exactly the same answer as above. Simple answers I hope, but they are my honest thoughts.As I have already posted players at all levels try to influence the referee but I can assure you any referee with reasonable experience is not taken in by all the theatrics.I agree with all of these, Im more of the fact that i dont give 2 s**ts about flores reaction. If caroll HAD NOT of caught him i would have a different point of view, but he did, he got punished, End of for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmooreshead Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 No point arguing with you old son Your previous comments just go to illustrate that you view the world through those red tinted glasses ! Overmars in 99 !! Get on with it man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 florres a pansey carroll an idiot two wrongs dont make a right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheolderIgetthebetterIwas Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Should have hit him harder. Simulation !!! what's that bollocks, I know would have done to him on his second roll - he could have sent me off for that. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangle Posted February 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 So, 2 of you basically agree that Flores rolled several times, this rolling was not justified, this exaggeration/simulation was not necessary as in your opinions Flores was not hurt. BUT, You would not like to attempt to second guess his intentions!!!???!!! HA HA HA. What are you afraid of? He was doing it to con the ref. You know, cheat. You do know - but for some reason don't like the thought of saying so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Manning Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Mangle, I do not care what he was attempting to do as I completely ignored his actions and his actions would have had no bearing on my decisions, also I couldn`t agree more he was attempting to cheat if that`s what you want me to say, but I will not waste my time of day taking any notice of those actions, also if you have been watching this weekends football there have been several incidents of players cheating in this manner, I only wish I could put a stop to it. I am sorry you think I am afraid of anything but I can assure you that after my forty years as a referee there is nothing on the football field that that I cannot handle and I will make the hardest decisions without a second thought, that`s what being a referee is all about "making decisions". and no prat rolling about will influence me in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Any thoughts on why Webb hasn't given the potential penalty for the foul by Chamberlain on Suarez today? Once again, Webb proves that he's not as good as he thinks he is. He's so inconsistent in his handing out of cards its embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Unbelievable that webb didn't have the balls to give liverpool a second penalty, he was no more than 5 yards away and couldn't really miss it. I'm no referee but I would say a stone waller in anyone but wengers eyes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Its is inconsistency Phil. No booking for Podolski, no booking for Sterling, no 2nd booking for Gerrard. Yet he dished out plenty of other yellows. He was as bad in the Chelsea game against Liverpool as well by not booking Eto and then only giving a yellow for Oscar. He's chuffing awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Correct darren your right about the podolski challenge, but the look on webbs face when Sterling touched him - priceless! What a t★sser. Much better ref's in the premier league and the Trelawney league than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangle Posted February 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Didn't see the game today, listened on 5live. Sounds like Webb got it wrong, Liverpool should have had a second penalty, Gerrard should have got a second yellow etc. However, Mr M, the point is, I know you try to ignore the actions of players, but in the incident with Flores, how did Webb know he was not caught in the face and was really hurt? No matter that you try to ignore this cheating, but with diving etc going on all the time, the refs are on a hiding to nothing. It's them I actually feel for. Stamp it out. Ban Flores for 3 matches for cheating, he'll think twice before feigning injury again. You are basically admitting now that Flores's actions were to influence the ref, and although you are saying that you would never allow the actions of a player to sway your decision.......you are human. Sometimes it will work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 look today yes we had the rub of the green but against utd we had a good shout for a pen when vidic pushed over giroud in the box and suarez was awarded a free kick for screaming out when his follow through caught koscelny , but sanogo had nothing the other end when skirtel foot was high and caught his after he got a shot in which was late so maybe a pen there? all ifs and buts but after 90 mins we won 2-1 but have lost other games by not getting a descion eg pen against liverpool and sending off in a fa cup final with henchos handling on the line then owen doing a smash and grab raid right at the end its football we all have had things go against our teams but taht is why we have forums and pundits to chew the fat with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Manning Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Mangle, all players try to influence the referee`s decisions, take a simple ball out of play, I guarantee that both players concerned will claim the throw even when one of them will know they were the last to touch the ball. Now I make decisions on what I see and no amount of theatrics/ screams etc influences my decision, I have made a decision before any player tries to feign injury or play the innocent and to the best of my knowledge it hasn`t worked yet, I work on the cause not the effect.. I hope you get to see one of my appointments before I hang up the boots, we could have an interesting conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangle Posted February 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Don't hang your boots up. Wait til you can't do it anymore. That's what I'm doing! By the way, just watched the highlights of today's game. The "second" penalty, The Ox on The Diver, how is that not a penalty? Webb got that wrong 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangle Posted February 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 And, if you read my earlier comments in the "Players need to grow up" thread, you will see I agree with the points you are making regarding "every decision". The only thing I think we do not agree on is whether or not the players antics (cheating) influences the referees decisions. My opinion, of course they do. Hence, when they're found out, penalise them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soccer Follower Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Its is inconsistency Phil. No booking for Podolski, no booking for Sterling, no 2nd booking for Gerrard. Yet he dished out plenty of other yellows. He was as bad in the Chelsea game against Liverpool as well by not booking Eto and then only giving a yellow for Oscar. He's chuffing awful. He's having a bad run of performances.He used to be the top referee but not now i'm afraid.I've seen other referees in the Premiership who are much better. Don't forget the Lloris challenge on Ashley Young,another blatant penalty not given.It;s time that Howard Webb was given a week off as happens to other officials when thay have controvery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 If refs came out and explained things it would be better. How he didn't give the penalty when he's 5 yards away I've no idea. He needs to explain his decision He's a ***** of the highest degree who makes himself the most important person in the pitch. Typical South Yorkshire policeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 If refs came out and explained things it would be better. How he didn't give the penalty when he's 5 yards away I've no idea. He needs to explain his decision He's a ***** of the highest degree who makes himself the most important person in the pitch. Typical South Yorkshire policemanwhy " should squares explain his yell and theatrics Stevie g whining Brendan's tears get a grip man move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Darren Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 How do you know that the challenge on Suarez wouldn't have made Suarez or anyone else wince. It's a foul and Webb bottled it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 the big baby ox is only young and not very big ha ha yes was a pen but we got the rub this time next game or tonight even it could go against us sh .. happens every day in all walks of life but we roll with it or become very bitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangle Posted February 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 I would start a new thread, but this will not get the reaction it deserves, I expect, so I'll hide it away in here.......from the BBC website (it concerns rugby): France number eight Louis Picamoles has been dropped for next week's Six Nations match against Scotland for showing disrespect to a referee. The forward appeared to mockingly applaud Alain Rolland after the referee sent him to the sin-bin against Wales. He also gave a thumbs-up gesture as he left the pitch during Friday's 27-6 loss to the reigning champions. Coach Philippe Saint-Andre said: "Certain attitudes have no place whatsoever in our sport." He added: "Respect is the foundation of our values. It is important to send a signal to all players who have the privilege of wearing the jersey and remind them it imposes duties and obligations." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveG Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 Oh dear God, if only we could have the same attitudes from football coaches! It would mean that Rooney (among others) would probably have to retire. And I love the quote from Mr Saint-Andre. Absolutely spot on, that man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Manning Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Hi Mangle, I was watching and did see the sarcastic applause, another thing I noticed was at least two players having a go at a touch judge, so perhaps Rugby is not totally immune from this sort of behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Keane is GOD!!! Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 If only football refs got the cards out at the first sign of discent. It wouldnt take long for players to stop harassing the ref and get on with their own game! Plus only the capts can talk to the ref in rugby, and all call him'sir'.Bring it in to football i say!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Roy in football we could not get the 10 yards being moved back for dissent a few years back like rugby so it won't change ,another pet hate of mine is before a corner all the pushing and shoving ,why don't the refs just wait to the kick is taken and then react either with a pen or free kick the first ref to give a pen would stop it going on and either team penalised would think again for pushing the laws of the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Keane is GOD!!! Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Mangle, your thoughts on soldados elbow last night? Did the defender exagerate his reaction when he went down? Did soldado mean to elbow?In my opinion spurs should of been down to 10, he looked for the player, straight red!! Then spurs would of struggled against a team that were matching,if not beating spurs in the 1st half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangle Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 I didn't see it. Only managed to watch from when Spurs fought back. I take it that Soldado's infringement was before that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Keane is GOD!!! Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 I didn't see it. Only managed to watch from when Spurs fought back. I take it that Soldado's infringement was before that?yeah,about the 20 min mark,far worse than Carolls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Keane is GOD!!! Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Steve, that's the point,if refs done it a few times then it wouldn't take long for it to catch on. Just like any new rule That gets implemented. It will take courage by the ref,but long term they would get the respect they deserve!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Roy get your refs kit on you know you want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheolderIgetthebetterIwas Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 He certainly wacked him, and deliberately lucky boy - lucky us. WE won - COYS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangle Posted March 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 I see Flores got sent off today. Karma. Nice. Pony tailed ponce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangle Posted April 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 Rooooooney dive. Pathetic. Not hurt, hardly touched, went down like a sack of shiite, rolled over, grabbed leg in fake pain - conned the referee. Even looked embarrassed when he got up and could not make eye contact with Schweinsteiger. Point made. Footballers are basically cheats. Case for the prosecution rests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheolderIgetthebetterIwas Posted April 5, 2014 Report Share Posted April 5, 2014 Quite right mangle. Overated and deffo overpaid winker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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