Rolling Substitutions

[Foot Loose 1]

Hey Deano - I take it that those idiots are the management committee, but I would remind you that the committee merely offeredv the clubs the opportunity to implement the scheme at the E G M and the majority of clubs were in favour. If you do not like it ask your secretary which way he voted as you may be calling him or her an idiot.

[Deano11]

Great point about clubs voting it in. Again this is not a great way to vote it, as if you put it to players they would say no, managers would say yes.

About to watch the football so cant go any further

[Pidgeon]

Can't a mod set up a poll or something?

[B Manning]

Foot Loose1 I read it as by idiots Deano11 meant the top bods at FIFA who decided it should be trialed and as for greater participation when I suggested we have more officials on each game that it would create greater participation by officials the advocates for rolling subs dismissed the idea..

[New Forest]

Keith B I can see were you're coming from.

I've been following this topic and to be honest never been a great fan of the idea personally, for no other reason than ' I'm old fashioned'!! Must be my age!

BUT following our game at the weekend I can see the advantages at first hand and I am certainly warming to the idea.

Our game went into extra time and I had already used 2 of the 3 subs allowed both due to injury.

I had to take a third player off before the start of ET so used my final sub.

Within minutes of the start of ET another one of my players went down after a heavy challenge and was obviously struggling but it was either play 25 minutes with 10 men or have the player stay on.

He chose to stay on even though it was obvious he was struggling. He is very doubtful for the weekend.

Not saying that he would have been fit for this weekend if he had chosen to come off but its not helped !

Then a second player pulled up with serious cramp! I ended up trying to 'hide' him.

We battled on with effectively 9 fit players on the pitch.

With rolling subs I would have had no problem.

As it was we ended up winning on Pens.

This is a topic which seems to have divided opinions in the football community.

That is the great thing about our game, its about opinions.

I for one would be in favour of this new idea coming into the game.

Cheers

Wayne

Padstow Utd

Manager

[willser08]

i have to be honest on this, i hate the idea, i was against it at the start of the season and am dead against it, so much so it is one of the reasons next season i will not be playing football

before i start to get labelled as a namby pamby player who rolls around feigning injury i think all those that have payed against me and with me for carharrack and robartes will tell you that is not the case.

i have heard the argument that it allows more players and perennial subs game time, in my opinion if there is a player who is always a sub n they need game time that is why you have a reserve team (if you don't have 1 the player needs to decide to stay and go)

for me a large part of football is making tactical changes to win or change games, this skills gets taken away if you are able to undo a wrong tactial decision by merely changing it back!!!

i fully understand the argument regarding the injuries, but isnt that what makes this game great, that 10 men can dig in in adversity and come away with a win! or that something unforeseen can turn a game on its head?

[Deano11]

god imagine if we went back to not having the luxury of subs ? What will we ask for next..... just not bother turning up and get the 3 points ?

[Deano11]

Mangle and Darren here you go I have now taken time out of my day to show you some of my points, lets see your petty suggestions back then shall we ? Or will you go quiet

1. Team sheets required under Law 3 of Laws of the

Game – will require extra administration.

2. Team squads may grow larger - reducing the

number of teams and games. However, clubs

might play smaller squads if they can rotate

leading to more teams.

3. Club income will fall if fewer teams play. Query

whether clubs may set match fees for players

depending on the time they play?

4. Mischievous Clubs could exploit rolling subs in

the latter stages of matches to break up/delay

play.

5. Devalues the game by focussing on the number of

substitutions rather than the quality of the 11

players on the pitch.

6. Captains have to manage rolling subs, which may

mean something extra to think about (or may

mean more flexibility, and fewer headaches).

7. Captains/managers/teams have extra work before games

8. Could delay kick off times if Captains/managers etc do not

prepare team sheets before kick-off.

9. Difficulties managing substitutions at lower team

games where no league referee is appointed.

10. Team sheets held by referees might deteriorate if

there is rain.

11. If no team-sheet is provided, substituted players

can’t return after being substituted.

[B Manning]

Deano11, I for one will if i have not received a sheet with the subs on will not allow any subs rolling or not to be used at all, still within the LOAF.

[TheolderIgetthebetterIwas]

What happened to "I've lost interest in this subject" What a load of bloody old nonsense that post is - ye gods - use rolling subs or not - your choice...simples.

[Deano11]

Oh darren and Mangle cat got your tongue ?

[Martin Eddy]

correct me if i am wrong deano but did you not elect your secretary to represent your club at your clubs agm or is your club like most others were players cannot be bothered to turn up for agm's because it does not effect them

[TheolderIgetthebetterIwas]

This is rolling on a bit !!!

[Martin Eddy]

use your sub then

[TheolderIgetthebetterIwas]

use your sub then

Which one ????

[St Darren]

Apologies, Deano, didn't realise you required a response

The points you make about subsitutes, are the same as what they are now. As Manning said, some refs if you don't give the subs names before the game, you aren't allowed to make any.

Why would referee's need to get team sheets out? doesn't make a difference if a side has one sub or five subs, they can make as many changes as they like. Its going to speed things up cos the referee isn't going to need to check names, they'll just need to know how many subs there are. Its going to be less work for the ref during the game because they're not going to need to take the names of the subs as they come on. ( I presume that to be the case anyway )

Points 6, 7 and 8, I don't understand, rolling subs will make no difference to that whatsover, points 1 and 7, extra administration??? where's the extra admin? if you things aren't changing, numbers aren't getting bigger, you're just allowed to have a sub, let him come on and then the player who's come off, can go back on again, its pretty simple really, there's no extra admin involved.

Point 9? where no referee is appointed? what difference does it make? it doesn't beoome a different game.

[B Manning]

Darren, as I understand it the referee will, need the name of the sub being used he will also need the name of the player going off, this is to make sure that only the listed names of subs and team are being used.

[St Darren]

Surely if you get their names before kick offthen you won't need to do that. Do they think that there is going to be a load of pretenders waiting to jump out and sit on the bench when needed? Seems crazy that. You can name up to 5 now and they dont all have to be there at kick off!

[B Manning]

I think you missed my point, The referee will need all (thats team + subs names) as not only the player coming on is checked the referee will also have to note the name of the player coming off. That is how I have been advised it will be administered.

[St Darren]

Why would they need to do that? They don't currently see team sheets till after the game.

16 names max, why do you need to know who is coming off and going on?

[B Manning]

That is how I have been advised it will be administered.

[Deano11]

this is how the guys at the top want it darren, does not all seem that rosy now does it ?

[Pidgeon]

Its going to happen, accept it.

You don't have to use it. It seems to work fine without any controversy in junior cup and youth football has been using it for years. Don't see what the big problem is?

[St Darren]

this is how the guys at the top want it darren, does not all seem that rosy now does it ?

Still Don't see a problem with it

[telithowitis]

In theory I think rolling subs are great at this level, but.....

I was involved in a youth game years ago where the opposition went a goal up and then proceeded to make umpteen subs throughout the rest of the game, virtually every time the ball went out of play subbing players to disrupt play and waste time.

So jury out, great if used fairly... but....???

[copey]

So has rolling subs been voted in for next season in the duchy league aswell as the trelawny league???