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September 2010 Last updated at 13:39

Cornish stadium feasibility study suggests locations

Two locations for a sports and events stadium in Cornwall have been identified in a feasibility study.

Truro and Threemilestone have been put forward in the initial findings of the study commissioned by Cornwall Council.

The study, which is to include a business plan and will identify facilities and possible tenants, should be completed at the end of the year.

A team is now looking at options to mitigate any stadium's impact on surrounding areas, the council said.

'Nurturing talent'

Proposals for the stadium include 4,500 seats for sporting events and a capacity of 10,000 for events such as music concerts.

Cornwall Council said that if built the stadium would help nurture regional sporting talent to compete on a national scale.

Stadium specialist Gardiner and Theobald have been working on the £78,000 study.

The council said the work had taken four key factors into account - social, transport, environment and economic.

Truro City Football Club and the Cornish Pirates rugby team have both been involved with the study.

Truro City and The Pirates may have been involved but did the ratepayers of Cornwall have to pay £78,000????

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£78,000.00 for a bloody study about a stadium? What the hell were they researching, if gold is in these proposed spots. Once again the council are a disgrace, just weeks after they gave a payout of £180,000 to a bloke who QUIT his post after NINE months. Sometimes this country makes me sick!!

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Can someone please answer the followign questions as best they can.......

This isnt intended to be a truro bashing thread, just someone half inside, half outside looking in trying to understand it all........

1. Why the desperation for Truro to Fail?

Having lived and played football in Oxfordshire, Cornwall and now Gloucestershire, there is none of the animosity towards the countys top non league sides....infact you struggle to find anything but good wishes to, for example, Gloucester City and Oxford City.

Obviously a lot of people feel that Mr Heaney hasnt conducted himself in the way people would have liked...but this isnt a football related matter, surely its something to express to him rather than the football team?

After all, a football league side from Cornwall is well over due, im sure most if not all football lovers in cornwall would attend matches should a team (no necessarily Truro reach those dizzy heights)

2. Why is there so much anger at the Stadium for Cornwall plans?

Again, i fail to see how this stadium can be a bad thing?

I realise it will only be used on a regular basis by for example Truro City and the Cornish Pirates, but thats logical as these two sides are the most senior therefore the ones who require the higher grading.

Would there be such opposition to the stadium if it was to be used by, for example, Bodmin Town?

Is there really opposition for a stadium or is it a result of the truro factor?

3. Truro City's progression - Good for cornish football?

Personally i feel that yes it is, maybe not in the sense that they are doing something specofocally for the benefit of each and every individual club in the county, but to have a side at the pinnacle of the non league game.....and hopefully into the football league can only be a good thing for exposure and also increased interest in the countys teams and leagues.

For people within the county they may not believe this happens, it does, obviously i have an interest so will always be looking at results gossip etc, but there are a number of my friends who have also been alerted to truros rise, and in turn have wanted to know about other sides down there, all have been impressed with my stories about the standard of leagues.

So yes Truro are doing it for themselves, of course they are, all clubs are......but any cornish clubs success should be enjoyed by all others, it shows the county in a good light across the rest of the country.

I know this has gone off subject a little, for which i apologise, but the first thing i wanted to ask was about the oppostion to the stadium.....i kept thinking of more.

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Thats another good point that i wanted to mention but forgot.

If you reach a cup final its nice to have it somewheree xtra special, for example many, here in the cheltenham league, our senior cup final is played at Whaddon Road - Cheltenham Town FC.

This far beats playing at bishops Cleeve of the southern league.

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Surely a stadium for Cornwall should be built around the centre of Cornwall,i.e. Bodmin area,perfect for the whole of Cornwall,good road and rail links.Has anybody spoke to Bodmin Town/Wadebridge Camels to get their opinion or are'nt they BIG enough? :angry2::unsure: :ninja:

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Surely a stadium for Cornwall should be built around the centre of Cornwall,i.e. Bodmin area,perfect for the whole of Cornwall,good road and rail links.Has anybody spoke to Bodmin Town/Wadebridge Camels to get their opinion or are'nt they BIG enough?

If Bodmin Town and Wadebridge Camels can get higher attendances than Truro City and the Cornish Pirates you have a good case!

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I've said it on other posts.

The ideal place would be at Fraddon, Indian Queens.

Middle of the county, A30, easy access both ways, A39 coming in from North Cornwall, A39 coming in from Carland Cross

, A3058 coming in from St Austell. Perfect.

My original posting moaning about the £78,000 was how much did the Pirates or Truro put into the kitty as this so called Stadium for Cornwall looks likely to benefit them the most.

Mind you with a 4,500 capacity and crowds of only 400 Truro supporters will feel a bit out of place or they will have to spread themselves out a bit, one every 10 seats.

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Ok then CTB, put it this way.

They choose to build the stadium in Penzance. Your club have put no money towards the stadium and you have an opportunity to request to be able to play in the stadium. Would their be the same uproar from you then?

Another level, the Olympic Stadium in East London. West Ham have done nothing towards the build or funding, yet have the chance to be able to play their after the games are held. Shall we all get onto that bandwagon too. Lets face it East London isn't as central all of London's population as say Westminster. Let's suggest we build the stadium there even though there's no space available.

Sorry all I'm ranting too but these knockers of Truro really are just first class idiots who don't think anything through before posting.

Cheeeeeers all :clapper:

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September 2010 Last updated at 13:39

Cornish stadium feasibility study suggests locations

Two locations for a sports and events stadium in Cornwall have been identified in a feasibility study.

Truro and Threemilestone have been put forward in the initial findings of the study commissioned by Cornwall Council.

The study, which is to include a business plan and will identify facilities and possible tenants, should be completed at the end of the year.

A team is now looking at options to mitigate any stadium's impact on surrounding areas, the council said.

'Nurturing talent'

Proposals for the stadium include 4,500 seats for sporting events and a capacity of 10,000 for events such as music concerts.

Cornwall Council said that if built the stadium would help nurture regional sporting talent to compete on a national scale.

Stadium specialist Gardiner and Theobald have been working on the £78,000 study.

The council said the work had taken four key factors into account - social, transport, environment and economic.

Truro City Football Club and the Cornish Pirates rugby team have both been involved with the study.

Truro City and The Pirates may have been involved but did the ratepayers of Cornwall have to pay £78,000????

I have no problems with any club developing its own ground and facilities, but not this rubbish about being for Cornwall with ratepayer's money being used. We are all under the hammer financially and it is totally immoral for our money being used in any shape or form.

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I have no problems with any club developing its own ground and facilities, but not this rubbish about being for Cornwall with ratepayer's money being used. We are all under the hammer financially and it is totally immoral for our money being used in any shape or form.

I wish that the £86,000,000 from public funds invested in the Eden Project had been invested in Cornwall's sporting facilities.

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As for any particular town having the stadium, why should they? Why should any club have preference over another? If Truro City want a stadium fit for league football they should find the finance. If public money is being used to finance the study then the public should have a say in any decision.

I do like the Fraddon Indian Queens suggestion and it makes a hell of a lot of common sense.

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Pablo,

Can you please explain to me why then that England's national stadium is not based in the middle of England, lets say Burton-on-Trent or Leicester?

The national stadium is in London because it's the capital. Is the Millenium Stadium is in Llanidloes in Wales? No it's in the capital right on the south coast, Cardiff.

If the stadium was to be used by Threemilestone FC as it's based there would there be the same argument?

I agree that £78,000 is a huge amount of money that shouldn't be coming from any of our pockets. It should be a figure alot less than that. However to blame Truro City FC is making you knockers become a real joke.

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That's settled then .. It will have to be built in Bodmin (that is still the capital, isn't it?).

As for the Eden Project .. that was started with a £25K grant from the (Restormal?) council for a feasability study, I believe.

Now I don't say a stadium for Cornwall will have the same inpact as Eden but everything has to start somewhere. We all have a vote if we can be bothered to use it.

Oh, and I've got a 5 acre site near Fraddon just ripe for development!

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Lets face it, the only club that need a stadium are the Cornish Pirates!

they would be the only ones to make proper use of the facilities

Wembley Staduim was built in the capital(not centre) of England,london. Millenium Staduim, Cardiff- Capital(not centre). There for it was make sense to build a staduim for cornwall in the capital of cornwall which is Truro. Train station, park and ride, plenty of parking in town. All these things must have been considered aswell when making a decision???

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Lets face it, the only club that need a stadium are the Cornish Pirates!

they would be the only ones to make proper use of the facilities

Wembley Staduim was built in the capital(not centre) of England,london. Millenium Staduim, Cardiff- Capital(not centre). There for it was make sense to build a staduim for cornwall in the capital of cornwall which is Truro. Train station, park and ride, plenty of parking in town. All these things must have been considered aswell when making a decision???

What about Newquay? Train station,Bus station,Airport. :ninja:

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As I dont live in Cornwall,I can honestly say,from what I know of people up country,there is only one place people

really know as the main City/Town in Cornwall,its Truro.

So why all the negative vibes about building it there.

It would be fantastic to have a dual purpose Stadium for many events in the County.

Truro City F.C.,Cornish Pirates,Pop Concerts and many more activities.

Come on you lot,lets have more positive thoughts,you grumpy people.

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As I dont live in Cornwall,I can honestly say,from what I know of people up country,there is only one place people

really know as the main City/Town in Cornwall,its Truro.

So why all the negative vibes about building it there.

It would be fantastic to have a dual purpose Stadium for many events in the County.

Truro City F.C.,Cornish Pirates,Pop Concerts and many more activities.

Come on you lot,lets have more positive thoughts,you grumpy people.

The point i'm trying to get across is not all sport in Cornwall revolves around Truro City and the Pirates. :rolleyes: :ninja:

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Now Jasa, where did I 'blame Truro City' anywhere? You're far too touchy!

And whoever mentioned City in the football league. get real with yourself. It won't happen this century.

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Now Jasa, where did I 'blame Truro City' anywhere? You're far too touchy!

And whoever mentioned City in the football league. get real with yourself. It won't happen this century.

Pablo,no perhaps it wont happen overnight,but at least Truro City have the ambition and the balls to play other teams from outside the county.Thats more than you can say about the rest of the teams in the county who are content to play against each other year after year,and wont even jump up into a higher league when the chance is there.

At least give them some credit for trying.

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That's settled then .. It will have to be built in Bodmin (that is still the capital, isn't it?).

As for the Eden Project .. that was started with a £25K grant from the (Restormal?) council for a feasability study, I believe.

Now I don't say a stadium for Cornwall will have the same inpact as Eden but everything has to start somewhere. We all have a vote if we can be bothered to use it.

Oh, and I've got a 5 acre site near Fraddon just ripe for development!

Dogbin was the capital a long long time ago, its now Truro, and Jasa you would not have any complaints from me if someone built a stadium in TMS :clapper:

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Now Jasa, where did I 'blame Truro City' anywhere? You're far too touchy!

And whoever mentioned City in the football league. get real with yourself. It won't happen this century.

Pablo,no perhaps it wont happen overnight,but at least Truro City have the ambition and the balls to play other teams from outside the county.Thats more than you can say about the rest of the teams in the county who are content to play against each other year after year,and wont even jump up into a higher league when the chance is there.

At least give them some credit for trying.

What absolute twaddle.

If it wasn't for the man with the money Truro would be in SWPL Div 1 West or perhaps the combo, cos if you remember the reason he took over was the fact the Truro board came begging to him for money.

Any local club who had that sort of financial backing could and would probably be in the same position as Truro are now. When Falmouth, Likeard and Saltash were winning the Western League whilst Truro were still a little bitty SWL team it was only the lack of money that forced them to leave and play local football again.

The only difference being that most clubs would not have done it the way Truro have off the pitch. You can be ruthless in business but you can't treat locals the way Truro have. We don't hate the club but can't stand what the owner has done to local companies and the clubs football managers, supporters club and their reserve team.

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Now Jasa, where did I 'blame Truro City' anywhere? You're far too touchy!

And whoever mentioned City in the football league. get real with yourself. It won't happen this century.

Pablo,no perhaps it wont happen overnight,but at least Truro City have the ambition and the balls to play other teams from outside the county.Thats more than you can say about the rest of the teams in the county who are content to play against each other year after year,and wont even jump up into a higher league when the chance is there.

At least give them some credit for trying.

What absolute twaddle.

If it wasn't for the man with the money Truro would be in SWPL Div 1 West or perhaps the combo, cos if you remember the reason he took over was the fact the Truro board came begging to him for money.

Any local club who had that sort of financial backing could and would probably be in the same position as Truro are now. When Falmouth, Likeard and Saltash were winning the Western League whilst Truro were still a little bitty SWL team it was only the lack of money that forced them to leave and play local football again.

The only difference being that most clubs would not have done it the way Truro have off the pitch. You can be ruthless in business but you can't treat locals the way Truro have. We don't hate the club but can't stand what the owner has done to local companies and the clubs football managers, supporters club and their reserve team.

Here we go again,cornishteddybear spouting the same old story.I go and support Truro City because they are a great team and have a great squad of players who play some great football,not the chairman.What he does in matters outside the football club is of no concern of mine.You and the rest of the anti Truro brigade come out with the same old story instead of giving the team the credit it deserves.

The chairmans so called debts only became news a couple of years ago and you have never let it rest since,and it's given you a good excuse to have a go at the club.But as I remember you lot were having a go at the club long before that,even when Truro won the F.A.Vase.I can only put it down to one thing,and that is jealousy.What a terrible thing.I'm glad i'm not like that.

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KIT! as CTB said, Truro are only where they are because of the money!

Anyone who had Mr Heaney's money could have taken any side above Combo to the level of where Truro are now. Unfortunately, he's also right about the fact, that the majority of people who don't watch Truro, don't watch, mainly because of the way the club, or the chairman, has gone about the way of getting there. If things were done in a different way, then I'm sure that Truro's crowds would be higher than what they are now

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The Mutterings are nearly spot on.

I agree with most of what Steve is saying. The point is it seems that this stadium is to be built. If it is, why can't Truro and the Pirates have the use of it. The council would obviously not let them have it for free and I'd imagine that between the Pirates and Truro there would be a groundsman and stadium manager of which the clubs both share the costs for.

There has been some costs put into this ground and leasing/renting it out to the 2 sporting teams with the most interest would be a way of recouping the money.

Wembley Stadium has rally cars, American football, Rugby union, Rugby league. All ways to recoup what was spent.

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truro is the capital of cornwall aint it, should go there! and truro are the highest placed league team so they could use it

What would happen if Mr. Heaney withdrew his money and Truro tumbled down the leagues?What if say Porthleven found a millionaire to back them and became Cornwalls top club,would you expect them to play there?If Truro and Pirates played at said stadium,when their grounds were sold would the monies raised be given to the council to cover expenses of new stadium? :ninja:

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Steve like most of us has an opinion which we can all respect seeing that he is an ex professional footballer and a well known manager in the county.But there are people involved in this project who are equally qualified and some who are perhaps more qualified who can see the bigger picture of the advantage such a project could bring to the county.

Forget for a moment Truro City and the Pirates,those are just 2 clubs who would be prepared to pay their bit for the use of it.Think of all the other things it could be used for to bring in revenue,major pop concerts to name just one.Cornwall is the only county thats not got a stadium big enough to hold a major event.Why not? because the population in the county is growing all the time.And yes if it ever gets off the ground,the Truro area would be the most suitable for such a stadium because it has the infastucture already in place,plus it is central to the most highly populated part of the county.

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'plus it is central to the most highly populated part of the county'

Now I could be wrong but I reckon it is this sort of attitude that gets up people's noses. I think it's the 'look after no1 syndrome. Anyway, it isn't gonna happen mate, not a chance. Money is far too tight right now for it to happen and whoever is involved with this so-called feasibility study should hold their heads in shame. Money is being wasted and with little hope of success.

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'plus it is central to the most highly populated part of the county'

Now I could be wrong but I reckon it is this sort of attitude that gets up people's noses. I think it's the 'look after no1 syndrome. Anyway, it isn't gonna happen mate, not a chance. Money is far too tight right now for it to happen and whoever is involved with this so-called feasibility study should hold their heads in shame. Money is being wasted and with little hope of success.

(Now I could be wrong but I reckon it is this sort of attitude that gets up people's noses.)Too bloody true your wrong,i'm just stating a simple fact.You just need to face up to simple facts.If things were left to the likes of you Cornwall would still be living in the dark ages.And as for wasting money,i've seen the county council spend money on a lot of less worthwhile projects than this one.

Maybe it might never happen,but it doesn't change the fact that something like this is needed in Cornwall.

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Unfortunately Steve seems unaware of what is actually being proposed. It will not be just a stadium for holding matches and a few music concerts. The intention is for the development to also have such things as disability sports facilities, a sports academy, training facilities, sports physiotherapy centre, hotel and conference facilities etc. With the best will in the world I don't think all that could be housed at Treyew Road!

It can't come soon enough for me! I think it will happen as, unlike some other times, the people who can make it happen are pulling in the same direction. The anti-anything brigade are always the most vocal and too many times in the past progress in Cornwall has been held back by people who never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. Time for that to change!

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If it is to happen, and its in Truro, then they need to improve the infrastructure on the links leading to it!

Chivvy roundabout is a complete disaster, can't see what they're going to improve once it is done. We all know what the traffic is like coming into Truro the other way! the best place for it, would be somewhere further up the A30. If its going to be used for Music Events and other such things, then I'm sure people won't mind going that extra bit further.

As I said before, I see the Pirates need for a stadium as they have the opportunity to get into the top league in Rugby, but I really can't see Truro having the finances to get into the National game.

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then I'm sure people won't mind going that extra bit further.

Carbon footprint?

I agree with you about Chiverton Cross, but the answer is to get that right and not let it control other projects. The A30 should go through Civerton in a cutting with the Truro - St. Agnes road going over the top. In essence the A30 should be contructed like a motorway, i.e straight-through with no roundabouts etc. Simplez!

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Lets face it, the only club that need a stadium are the Cornish Pirates!

they would be the only ones to make proper use of the facilities

Wembley Staduim was built in the capital(not centre) of England,london. Millenium Staduim, Cardiff- Capital(not centre). There for it was make sense to build a staduim for cornwall in the capital of cornwall which is Truro. Train station, park and ride, plenty of parking in town. All these things must have been considered aswell when making a decision???

What about Newquay? Train station,Bus station,Airport. :ninja:

Yeah good shout!

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I say 'keep dreaming' but don't hold your breath! Some of you have suddenly become Pirates fans just to get your way. Blimey, brick wall and all that. You folks are so wide of the mark. Listen, if a stadium was built; it won't be because almost half a dozen City fans want it, it'll be because some total stranger wants it or some politician wants to enhance his / her reputation. I'm gonna leave you to it It won't happen.

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Lets face it, the only club that need a stadium are the Cornish Pirates!

they would be the only ones to make proper use of the facilities

Wembley Staduim was built in the capital(not centre) of England,london. Millenium Staduim, Cardiff- Capital(not centre). There for it was make sense to build a staduim for cornwall in the capital of cornwall which is Truro. Train station, park and ride, plenty of parking in town. All these things must have been considered aswell when making a decision???

What about Newquay? Train station,Bus station,Airport. :ninja:

An airport? for a Cornish stadium? Where are you going to fly from? Penstraze Airfield. Perranporth. haha :clapper:

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Listening to all the responses I have to chuckle to myself...

The fee for the initial study is a drop in the ocean to what the council could earn in the future from income generated by teams for use and concerts/events.

The most famous success story of this nature is Manchester City FC... When Manchester City council INVESTED heavily in the common wealth game preperations every purpose built facility had a future re-sale or re-use income value attached to it, the main income generater being the City Of Manchester Stadium which is currently owned by Manchester City Council and all monies generated from ticket sales above 36,000 (the capacity of the old Main Road Ground) go straight to the council.

The cost of running the the stadium is down to the tennant club, any concerts or finals are big money earners for the council as well.

Also as a part of the lease deal, the council took the old ground in exchange for the lease at no cost to them. Not a significant value as the old ground was in Moss Side but if Truro City were to enter in to a deal there ground is ideally situated for the council to make use of the land/club..

A great idea but one that will obviously need support if it were to become a reality, its just a shame everybody is turning it into a Heaney bashing issue when the reality is if the council act wisely and pay enough money to the right professional advisors the only people to gain from the stadium would be the people and future of Cornwall....

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Listening to all the responses I have to chuckle to myself...

The fee for the initial study is a drop in the ocean to what the council could earn in the future from income generated by teams for use and concerts/events.

The most famous success story of this nature is Manchester City FC... When Manchester City council INVESTED heavily in the common wealth game preperations every purpose built facility had a future re-sale or re-use income value attached to it, the main income generater being the City Of Manchester Stadium which is currently owned by Manchester City Council and all monies generated from ticket sales above 36,000 (the capacity of the old Main Road Ground) go straight to the council.

The cost of running the the stadium is down to the tennant club, any concerts or finals are big money earners for the council as well.

Also as a part of the lease deal, the council took the old ground in exchange for the lease at no cost to them. Not a significant value as the old ground was in Moss Side but if Truro City were to enter in to a deal there ground is ideally situated for the council to make use of the land/club..

A great idea but one that will obviously need support if it were to become a reality, its just a shame everybody is turning it into a Heaney bashing issue when the reality is if the council act wisely and pay enough money to the right professional advisors the only people to gain from the stadium would be the people and future of Cornwall....

What he said...... :c: :thumbsup:

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