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  1. No more than what they would have over the season anyway.
  2. Haven’t looked across the leagues but teams already fixtured in the SWPL east to play a Saturday then a Sunday. FA need to extend the season as it’s dangerous. Players will get injured. At grass roots level do teams need to be playing 40+ games with cups. Would it be the end of the world if leagues like the SWPL were 18 teams. Just reducing it by 2 teams could theoretically free up a month of Saturday’s for the inevitable games that need to be caught up on. Lots of players will not be relishing playing 3 times a week for a month with family and work.
  3. If the FA really want to force teams to progress then simply make promotion non negotiable. You win the league then take promotion or suffer a consequence. Some teams have got away it for a decade, teams with a lot of money but even with that money they’ve realised there could be some huge consequences in taking promotion. Frustrating that this restructure is bad luck for us but it is very easy for people to just say ‘bad luck, suck it up’ when it means nothing to them. I don’t think anyone would say step 7 is failure. However, step 6 and not step 5 is manageable for the vast majority of teams literally because of the geography of where we live and the extremely poor transport links in the South West, means better crowds, less travel but a good standard of football and players want to play as high as they can but the key here is that it has to be sustainable for a club to take that step up. The new restructure essentially gives us a lot of the same responsibilities as if we were Western League. For us, that is not sustainable and if we were to ‘live beyond our means’ that would only either mean capitulation or negative comments about paying so much money for players etc that most teams get on here. So either way, we can’t win. I appreciate a constructive reply though Dave.
  4. Too flippant RedRuth and too easy to over simplify it. It’s too easy for people to just say, ‘oh it’s only a few more miles, it’s only a bit more time, travel shouldn’t be an issue & it’s only a bit more money’. ‘If you can’t do it then you’re not dedicated enough or you don’t belong at this level’. With no disrespect intended (although some will happily let it be purely to be able to be antagonistic) this is grass roots football. We’re at the bottom of the ladder near enough.This is a hobby for most. Decisions shouldn’t be made with no real analysis of the potential impact. We’re at a stage currently where we couldn’t possibly progress anymore. We’ve only just got into step 6 as it is. Our infrastructure just allows this and hopefully one day would allow for more. But we are no where near that. We knew what we were getting with promotion last season. This debacle has been forced upon us without so much as a conversation to see how it could effect us. Too easy for people to come on here and ‘speak before they think’.
  5. Players coming over to play for Cornish sides a) make that choice & it’s not made for them b) they get paid for it & a lot of them very well c) vast majority will be able to go straight over the bridge & d) do it because they’d rather play for Cornish sides than East sides as there’s many more Cornish sides accessible at a higher level. What really annoys me is you talking about dedication. It shows me & any proper fan of local football that you are completely clueless. Have a chat with the chairman and you’ll soon be very clear of the dedication off the pitch. On the pitch they’re (the only team?) that gets no expenses but play for the love of it. Missing Saturdays with their families or giving up the chance of extra work again highlights how clueless you are. I’m also beginning to wonder what it is that I’ve written that’s so difficult to understand? I don’t think I can make it any clearer so I will literally try to spell it out for you. It’s not so much the mileage although it will be increased a lot and usually at this level you’ve been allowed to make that choice through promotion whether you’re happy to do it. We were fine to take promotion last season as we were aware of where we had to go. We’ve just been thrust into this new unknown position. It is the inordinate amount of extra time they will now have to give up. Give up from work, their families and all unpaid. This is grass roots football it’s not even semi pro despite some thinking it is because players get paid. Now I know they’ll give it a bloody good go but if it is too much for some of them the impact on the squad could be disastrous. Also, are we going to get anywhere near the crowds (mainly through away support) playing east teams than locals like Saltash, Liskeard, St Austell etc etc? Financial consequences will be disastrous especially as, like many clubs, we’re teetering on the edge as it is. As it stands, for the vast majority of current away games we leave about midday and get home about 6/7. It means at least they spend time with their kids in the morning and a decent amount of time in the evening with partners. Now, throw the ferry into the mix and you’re now looking at having to leave 10/11am for most games and return home 8/9. That has a huge impact. For some games even earlier and later than that. Unless you use the ferry every day then you just have no idea of what kind of impact this will have, they are one of the worst run services around, even if you’re not a local you see it in the news every month. As I’ve said, it took me just under 2 1/2 hours round trip to do Elburton a few weeks ago. That’s 8 miles away. 15 extra minutes? Clueless. There’s a common theme developing here Rightside. I dug myself this hole but it’s been so painful reading some of the replies. If we have to go east then that’s what will happen and the club will give it everything. But. If what we have predicted does come true then that will be down to a few men in a office with no clue of the blood, sweat and tears gone into Millbrook these last few years (just like many other clubs). I hope we’re wrong and we will have to see but everyone will know we were against it. Fingers crossed with whatever the final decision is that we and all clubs can continue to develop.
  6. Yes that’s true. But neither were being forced to play west. They knew the deal with the current Prem. We had no idea we’d be forced to play in the East. Also with the the exception of ourselves and Torpoint both teams can travel straight over the bridge. As I’ve said, I think we have some pretty strong reasons to remain playing in Cornwall and anyone who’s properly read this long thread(!) will see that. I’ll leave it for now unless anyone makes false accusations. Thanks for those who have been constructively critical - from my very first post that was made clear to what I wanted. Two games to go for Millbrook which could see them finish anywhere anywhere between 6th to 10th! An exciting end to the league that’s for sure and some great cup finals to come.
  7. Fortunately from messages of support most don’t seem to agree with you but you’ll always have some who don’t and that’s fair. I’m not sure what your agenda is but you keep going on about the mileage and despite several explanations you’ve ignored most of the points made about time and money. I don’t think any players would abandon the club out of choice but often choices are taken out of our hands. Thanks for the luck however, I think we will need it.
  8. 11? It’s 13 league trips across the ferry we didn’t have to make last season (15 new ones) so near enough all of them. That’s without cup games. It’s a possibility some would leave as 2/3 live in Torpoint. Even a couple would have a big impact. People are also glossing over the fact of the financial impact. The difference between Cornish away support and Devon support has been huge this season. How many supporters will be happy to travel an hour or so down to the ferry then find they have to spend 30-60 minutes added to that journey, if not more. Then double that time for the round trip. Mileage isn’t that different but it is still different. But mainly it’s the time - a round trip to Elburton a few weeks back took nearly 2 1/2 hours. They’re only 8 miles away.
  9. Without the ferry to contend with those few journeys a season won’t make anywhere near the impact travelling East would. Also I don’t understand the toys out the pram point. When else have Millbrook stood up for their status in this way? They haven’t or do you mean when we asked for help to keep the club going? Although the phrase ‘toys out the pram’ doesn’t link to that at all? Quite honestly, those in the current premier and whoever wins Div 1 are the ones who deserve to be there the most. But all clubs are hardworking so to a degree deserve something as well.
  10. I don’t get your point Rapid Winger. Who’s denied we are where we are because of help? In fact it’s the opposite. We wouldn’t have a club to play at without the help. The football side of it was the manager and players earning it. Of course though it goes back to the support off the pitch meaning we were able to do that on the pitch. Again it’s not so much the mileage but the time dedicated when they’re not paid expenses amongst other things. Every club at grass roots needs help but that shouldn’t be at the expense of others.
  11. Hetty, it’s a poor point about Crediton in the cup. A few games east does not equate to a whole season of away games. It’s pretty dull just having to re say what’s already been said - it’s the impact the ferry has that unless you live with it daily then you just can’t grasp what we’re on about. A lot of those trips would be 4-5 hour round trips compared to 2-3 in the West. Can we expect some of our players to leave very early and get home incredibly late, especially mid week - you could be looking at the early hours of the morning. Many of them have families, they don’t get any expenses and so it might just be a step too far. What it would mean is that we could lose our local core, the quality of the team and the status earned. Something that many on here and elsewhere hound other teams for not having and having to pay for players elsewhere to come to the club. To use the bridge adds more time, more petrol, more mileage and would mean having to pass Saltash - something that apparently can not be done as a requirement. Also - again as already explained - the impact this could have on the money earned on the gates could be devastating financially.
  12. This is the one of the main problems with the forum - made up and ill informed information posted & quite often aggressively. Knowing this it’s my fault for writing on here but I’ll clarify what many already know. ‘Playing the victims’ is deliberately inflammatory and I guess you’re someone who plays for St Blazey or another team further down Div 1 but I get why you’ve posted. To possibly get promotion into the premier is something most players are desperate for but the fact remains - Millbrook earned that right. Default is not earning it. As explained several times a move to the east could spell the end of what has been achieved at Jenkins Park whilst having a team like St Blazey play St Pirans, which is really the equivalent of the current Div 1 West - & then earn promotion is a fairer outcome. Also, no money raised was used to ‘do up the club house or used for non critical things’ - this is a lie to be frank. You obviously haven’t been anywhere near the club in the last year. A historical and huge debt was in default - something the current Chairman had no idea about as it was well hidden by past committees no longer anything to do with Millbrook. The debt was called upon immediately and out of the blue for the new chairman which is why the fundraising was needed or one of the oldest clubs in Cornwall would have disappeared. Alongside the money raised the club raised a huge amount doing their own things and this was all used to help pay a large amount of the debt off to stop it being repossessed. If you knew anything about the club or anyone within it you would no how eternally grateful we are. Since then, we did the business on the pitch which then meant we had to do something with the ground e.g the floodlights. All money for the ground improvements was raised through club fundraising but mainly grants. It’s a false accusation to claim that fundraised money by the club was used for this and not the debt. You’re treading a dangerous path with that. Finally, just as you feel it would be unfair for a team lower down not to get promotion we feel it unfair we have to face a very possible situation of demise by simply being moved eastwards to make room for someone else which brings me back to the undeniable point that Millbrook did their talking on the pitch and earned the right to be where they are.
  13. Cheers Bobjfh. I don’t quite get the ‘can’t pass another team’ criteria - who cares really if clubs are happy where they are? To be really geographically precise if we were in the west we wouldn’t have to go past Torpoint - there isn’t a road that does that. We would be going in the totally opposite direction. Torpoint are in a totally different position to us financially. They also have an excellent fan base and the vast majority of the squad don’t live in Torpoint and arguably they’d have a much better chance of success in the east. So for them it may actually make sense. Just don’t see that because it makes sense for them that we have to suffer (through no fault of Torpoint). The simple fact is, if this is imposed on us there’s a very real chance the club could cease to function as it does. It’s a part of the same reason that wealthier clubs than us have never taken promotion. Some blokes sitting in an office somewhere have decided our fate with no consultation and based it on latitude and longitude with no idea about the ferry or threat to the club’s existence. Anyway, everyone’s aware now and the appeal is in so we’ll have to wait and see.
  14. Each to their own Hetty, but the Chairman’s response immediately makes the club’s position clear after speculation on here and twitter. From my post I was hoping someone might come up with something I hadn’t considered before to help us. Plus, if our position generates any support than that’s good for us. You never know whom might be reading. Following this for about five years I knew there’d be a few groups of differing opinions: those in support, those indifferent, those who couldn’t care less and those purposely combatant. This is a really serious situation for us and Millbrook’s view is now very clear.
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