Leamington2013 Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 news that Martin burgess has felt the need to leave Saltash united. With them doing so well i wonder why he has gone at this time. The cup loss couldn't be the only reason, they would have the league in the bag if they win their remains fixtures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruegel the Elder Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 It might become clearer if you could tell us where he's going Leamington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jefferson hog Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 You got to say done a fantastic job on a limited budget tough boots to fill massive loss to saltash he's off to elburton vets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretscout Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Any early favourites to take the job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leedsunited Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Usual canditades i should imagen, Leigh Cooper, Steve Massey maybe, or Alan Carey? He had the the job originally i believe but had to withdraw due to personal reasons, maybe the time is right for him to make a return to the local scene? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmyRaa Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Gutted. Martin did wonders with the ashes on a very tight budget, and managed to get some great players in. We haven't played wr in the last few games, but I can't think he's left cos of this. I hope the club thinks very carefully about his successor, and doesn't rush into any decisions All the best for the future Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pastyman Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 I echo the thoughts of TimmyRaa, I too am gutted that Martin Burgess has resigned. The team he has assembled has done wonders on a limited budget. I have to say I have thoroughly enjoyed watching "the ashes" in recent seasons. Thank you Martin, for all you have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teflon123 Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 The lad Cussack might fancy it. Good coach and with his contacts & connections with Plymouth Argyle and having played in the league for years, might be a good choice for Saltash. All the best to Martin Burgess for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pastyman Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Hmmm Steve Massey and Alan Carey! Those two come attached to spend, spend, spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontheball2014 Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Saltash United have done well under Burgess, with what I hear limited resources. Has he had the support from the club that he surely deserves? I understand the club is struggling to find committee members and those it has are finding it hard going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leedsunited Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 I only mentioned Alan as i thought he was given the post then turned it down then the club gave it to Martin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUGWASH Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Wayne Hilson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pastyman Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 It would be Aaron Cusack for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pastyman Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Paul Sturrock is looking for a position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretscout Posted January 21, 2015 Report Share Posted January 21, 2015 Im surprised dane bunney hasnt been mentioned. Haha. Martin has done a fantastic job since taking over so it does seem a mystery as to why he has left, im sure it will all become clear soon! I would imagine cusack may fancy a crack at the whip! Knows the club, knows the league, knows players and has the knowledge. Good luck for the future martin and good luck saltash! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Should we be worried for local football why Martin actually stood down? http://www.cornishsoccer.info/page5.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henning Berg Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Shocking that a club doing so well has managed to do this with little commitment from its players over the season. Poor Martin must have been exasperated and fully p****d off! Has done a great job along with Cusack. Hope he gets the job, can't see the likes of Carey and Massey fitting in with the clubs current model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mead Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 I think it's been a worry for quite a time Dave, especially for clubs trying to compete in SWPL with little or no "resources". Gone are the days when you could pick your squad on a Wednesday after training and feel confident they'll all still be available on Saturday. Many managers spend Friday evenings and Saturday mornings desperately seeking available replacements. Unfortunately, commitment and/or ambition seems to be unfashionable - not only in football though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusty Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Football is a hobby, I think a lot of people forget that. It doesn't pay the bills and it doesn't pay enough for you not to do the things you want to do with your family etc.... I think maybe people need to understand that. Martin has stepped away for the very things he is accusing his players of doing, judging by the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruegel the Elder Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Football is a hobby, I think a lot of people forget that. It doesn't pay the bills and it doesn't pay enough for you not to do the things you want to do with your family etc.... I think maybe people need to understand that. Martin has stepped away for the very things he is accusing his players of doing, judging by the post. Perhaps just a bit unfair on Martin and the other SWPL managers who find themselves in the same boat, trying to get a degree of commitment from fickle players. Managers are the original piggies in the middle, expected to show loyalty to players, committees and fans simultaneously. All the graft, all the blame and precious little of the glory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 What an absolute load of nonsense postings. martin stood down because of the job interferes with his private life. Nothing wrong with that. Good luck to him and the Ashes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusty Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Ecpl, I'm guessing you haven't read his reasons why then ?. How about you read Dave Deacons post and educate yourself before getting defensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontheball2014 Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Until Martin Burgess speaks openly about his departure from Saltash United, none of will know his reasons. We can all speculate as to his reasons, but we could all be wrong. Sadly, managers don't always receive the commitment from plays who sign for the club. I can understand that players have jobs and that has to come first, as it pays the bills. But stag parties, weddings, holidays and the like, are not acceptable to let a manager, club and supporters down. As for getting pissed on a Friday evening before the match, I would say grow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pastyman Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 ontheball2014, if you read the article in DAVE DEACONS post, you will understand why Martin Burgess has stood down. He was simply not getting the commitment from some of his players. They simply don't want it enough! As a supporter, sadly I feel very much like Martin. If players don't want to commit themselves to a club for the season, why should I bother either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Burgess Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Football is a hobby, I think a lot of people forget that. It doesn't pay the bills and it doesn't pay enough for you not to do the things you want to do with your family etc.... I think maybe people need to understand that. Martin has stepped away for the very things he is accusing his players of doing, judging by the post. That certainly is not the case. The only occasion i have missed a game this season is due to a holiday at school half term (son is of school age & wife then worked in a school, so limited to holiday time). Dave's published article from the interview we had is to the point and think it explains my reason well. The part about me doing DIY is flippant but i did not miss any games for this. I was still fully committed prior to my resignation. I also wanted to clarify that what was said in the 'Plymouth Herald', stating that i couldn't juggle management and my personal life is incorrect.I am disappointed in this statement. Not at any point did i bring my personal life into any discussion at the committee meeting. My family have fully supported me in my football life and are upset for me in the fact that i needed to stand down. I've had the full support from the committee throughout my time at the club and i thank them for that. I simply came to the end of my thether in trying to get a squad out for every game. It has been very testing and when i started resenting the game, then i knew it was time to step down. I'll use the forum as an opportunity to thank the Saltash faithful for their support in the last few years. They have been fantastic toward me. Football is a hobby. Not just so for players but managers, coaches, physios and committee members alike. Anyone who gives up their time to help run a club in any capacity gets my full respect. It's a thankless task at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattP Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Well said Martin,I'm sure those of us who give up our time at whatever level of the game will echo your sentiments. Good luck in whatever you do next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pastyman Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Thanks martin for all you have done, it has been really appreciated. I can honestly say I have enjoyed watching "the ashes" in recent seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldFan Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Can't remember a post where ECPL isn't trying to tell everyone else to be quiet or their wrong. As usual it's him wrong. Takes hard work to be a manager and it is a thankless job, I wonder how well you could of done Martin with a committed squad if you've done this well without one! Players don't relaise that unless you can maintain consistency with the squad then you're not going to amount to much, and that goes right from SWPL down to Duchy. Good Luck Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PUGWASH Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Well said Martin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Wright Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 I'd like to congratulate Burgie on the fantastic job he did at Saltash and wish him all the best for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KPH Posted January 22, 2015 Report Share Posted January 22, 2015 Completely understand where Martin is coming from and management is an increasingly thankless task. Several thankfully are prepared to take it on as it's the nearest thing to playing (but never matches),or want to put something back into the game. However when players don't give it the commitment that you do,or anybody who can recognise the shape of a ball feels it okay to let you know where you are going wrong,it can be wearing. It is voluntary and it is a hobby, even if SWPL premier is the highest level locally for most of our clubs and players.As we do it for pleasure there should be no criticism when someone is honest enough to say I am no longer enjoying it and will be stopping. I don't know Martin as a person but admire his honesty and having stood in the opposite dug out to him on several occasions can say with certainty that his football credentials will make him a very hard act to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boney Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Martin....you are a top bloke and my hero! I will have to update your details on my phone! :) Now that you are free you can come and watch me play! Lol I have played with all types of players with various teams.....the modern day non league football player is weird with so many stupid/weird excuses for not being available on a Sat...or Tues! "My mate's moving to Uni and I have to help him"! Weird. "I'm getting married and I cannot play Sat because we have to meet the person making the cake"! Weird "I am going to watch Argyle". Weird After my very short stint at management.... I will not manage again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Wright Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Worst excuses we've had is, "I've had a tattoo and my leg hurts." Also, "I've got to decorate my bedroom." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pastyman Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 I think the main blame for Martins departure can be aimed at certain Saltash United players. I will not name names, but they know who they are. These players have let Martin down and the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
predator Posted January 23, 2015 Report Share Posted January 23, 2015 Name them please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mockey jackson Posted January 24, 2015 Report Share Posted January 24, 2015 I have been told burgey called a team meeting to discuss the issues and only 6 players turned up. That was the straw that broke the camels back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hills19 Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 I enjoyed watching Saltash under Martin, a good approach to the game that produced results with an easy to watch style. Thank you Burgey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontheball2014 Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 From reading the paper on a Friday evening, I would say the goalkeeping position has been one to give the biggest headache this season. Loaning youth goalkeepers from Argyle has helped fill the void on several occasions. I would say Martin Burgess had problems with every single fixture, trying to field a team, due to the non-availability of certain players. I am very sure the players know who they are and must feel some form of guilt on their manager leaving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
predator Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 You can't blame it on the players it was his own choice , this league hasn't got contracts , work and family come before football !! He should of just gone out and signed reliable players, Saltash are second in the league a lot of players in this league would have joined to have the chance to win somethin!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offside! Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Years ago the manager would have just bombed the players he's not happy with and gone and found more committed/better players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Burgess Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 If only management was that easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offside! Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 No one is saying it is easy. That's why managers need to have more about them than players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Burgess Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 i'll take that as a loose compliment then! Ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marypoppins Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 i'll take that as a loose compliment then! Ha ha No he means you haven't got enough about yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boney Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Mary Mary...why you buggin? Ask if she is crazy... I'll say very....living in a house out on the prairie..... I worry about Mary cause Mary is scary! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretscout Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 From reading the paper on a Friday evening, I would say the goalkeeping position has been one to give the biggest headache this season. Loaning youth goalkeepers from Argyle has helped fill the void on several occasions. I would say Martin Burgess had problems with every single fixture, trying to field a team, due to the non-availability of certain players. I am very sure the players know who they are and must feel some form of guilt on their manager leaving If only Sam Borthwick had signed for them, would that perhaps have been the solution and maybe kept Martin in the job longer as he would've had less headaches? But would sam have had a future with whoever the new manager is, dodged a bullet there i would say now. I watched the Launceston V Callington game and he made a couple of very good saves to keep them in the game which they went on to win, so he would no doubt have been a good addition but may not have saved Martin! Good luck for the future for both Martin and The Ashes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marypoppins Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 i'll take that as a loose compliment then! Ha ha No he means you haven't got enough about yourself That's uncalled for - might be a good time to close this thread administrators ? Offside said it I was just explaining it Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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