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  1. Sin bin confussion.

    Referees shouldn't be using this system yet. The FA have said we are not to use it until the first competitive games (league games of the new season). Neither referees or teams have yet received the necessary training, which is why this may have caused confusion for you. When temporarily dismissed, there is no administration charge (fine). I'm getting people have a moan at me when I talk about the "Sin-Bin" on here; apparently stating facts and guidelines aren't what this forum is for. If you would like any information on the system, feel free to attend one of the meetings. I'm always happy to answer any questions also. You can reach me on davidrbartlam@googlemail.com. If you are unable to attend any of the meetings, I am hoping to livestream one on Wednesday from The Trelawny League's Facebook page.
  2. One can only hope Marksy. Would you rather me say nothing and let everyone become misinformed in the meantime? I've stated nothing but facts on this thread - I'm sorry that bothers you. That said, I am thinking of having "An Audience With B_D". Want a front row seat?
  3. Another stat... 165,000 cautions in 15/16... in less than 1% of those games were there three or more yellow cards in one game for dissent. 🙂 Can you tell I've researched this all? 😂
  4. I've just ordered this together with a lovely truck to take to my games
  5. You're correct. If a player gets booked for a foul tackle, that is a caution. If a player gets booked for dissent after, that is a cautionable offence but it isn't a caution (that's how I think of it). It is dealt with by a temporary dismissal. The player will then miss out on ten minutes of the game before returning. When you put it like that, I see exactly what you are saying. I can see why you and many others are sceptical. But you have to bare in mind that this is a trial. It will need everyone's feedback to be fed through the appropriate channels for the County FA's to look at and pass on to the National FA. Then they will pass on recommendations to IFAB. It will take time. I can't counter-act your example because you are right. But then, you have to follow the law book and report it accordingly and let the authorities deal with it. You have to bare in mind also that these temporary dismissals will have a financial effect on the club when looking at the Respect/Fair Play table.
  6. I agree with you there, it should be seen in action at the top. But that's out of our control. As referees, we have to adhere to the law book and by competition rules, whether we like it or not. As players, we have to abide by those laws or we face the consequences. You're the same as me. 79% of my cautions last season and the previous season (oct-may) were all for dissent. I'm another that deals with it. I think ceasing your registration is a little bit rash though. I know you have a potential role coming up with a football club but to de-register seems a bit over the top. It would also be a massive shame. Just see how it goes. Come to one of our meetings and have a listen. I'm sure there will be many people there expressing the exact same opinion as you and others have. All I'm trying to do as a referee and a member of the Cornwall FA Working Group is put across the facts. It's important that the facts are what are listened to, not the inaccurate speculation. Come to the meeting, have a listen and see if your mind changes.
  7. That's your opinion which you are more than entitled to. Let's have a look at the facts for a moment though; The current system of yellow cards for dissent has been In force for god knows how many years and it hasn't worked. 24% of all cautions!!! Lets put it into perspective.... these stats are from the 2015/16 season which were the most current at the time that the FA was considering this trial. The cautionable offences in 15/16 were: unsporting behaviour commits a foul for the tactical purpose of interfering with or breaking up a promising attack holds an opponent for the tactical purpose of pulling the opponent away from the ball or preventing the opponent from getting to the ball handles the ball to prevent an opponent gaining possession or developing an attack (other than the goalkeeper within his own penalty area) handles the ball in an attempt to score a goal (irrespective of whether or not the attempt is successful). attempts to deceive the referee by feigning injury or pretending to have been fouled (simulation) changes places with the goalkeeper during play or without the referee’s permission acts in a manner which shows a lack of respect for the game plays the ball when he is walking off the eld of play after being granted permission to leave the eld of play verbally distracts an opponent during play or at a restart makes unauthorised marks on the eld of play uses a deliberate trick while the ball is in play to pass the ball to his own goalkeeper with his head, chest, knee, etc. in order to circumvent the Law, irrespective of whether the goalkeeper touches the ball with his hands or not. The offence is committed by the player in attempting to circumvent both the letter and the spirit of Law 12 and play is restarted with an indirect free kick uses a deliberate trick to pass the ball to his own goalkeeper to circumvent the Law while he is taking a free kick (after the player is cautioned, the free kick must be retaken) commits in a reckless manner one of the seven offences that incur a direct free kick Dissent by word or action persistent infringement of the Laws of the Game delaying the restart of play failure to respect the required distance when play is restarted with a corner kick, free kick or throw-in entering or re-entering the field of play without the referee’s permission deliberately leaving the field of play without the referee’s permission 20 cautionable offences... From all of those, approximately 41,250 cautions were awarded for dissent alone. That's approximately 41,250 from 165,000!!! So, something obviously isn't working. Something needs to be changed. You get a caution in a match for dissent. There's no deterrent. £10 admin fee on a Tuesday. So what? It's £10! Many wouldn't notice that coming out of the bank. It doesn't have an impact on the game. Do it this season, you leave your team in the lurch. You will award the opposition with a numerical advantage which they could easily use and score from, potentially putting the game out of reach for your team. What would I rather - a mere £10 fine or letting my teammates down and losing the game because of my mouth? You can have my £10 all day long!!! Once a team loses a game because one more of their players have been dismissed temporarily, they will learn the hard way. I find it very hard to imagine that a team or a manager would support that person when they have just cost them the game. There's your deterrent right there. A £10 charge is not a deterrent. As a referee, I would have thought you'd have supported this considering that the decision to use temporary dismissals is to protect the referees!
  8. It's been thrown in too quickly, I agree with your league official. Unfortunately we have to go with it though and work with everyone to try and get all the information across as quickly and accurately as we can, hence why it's important that the inaccuracies are quashed with the facts I am intrigued to see what happens next season @MARKSY I've started writing one today as it were. I'll save you a signed hardback copy. I know you're my biggest fan ❤️
  9. Please don't think I was being funny with you - It is just important that with a trial like this where we have very little time to prepare and limited resources and ways to get the information out to the clubs - it's important that people learn the facts and not make judgements based on people's opinions.
  10. Pulling out?

    The effects that this withdrawal has on the League: Marazion Blues have withdrawn from Trelawny League Division 1 with immediate effect. Due to the withdrawal prior to the season start, no league results have been affected. Halsetown will receive a BYE into the 2nd round of the Percy Stephens Cup. Threemilestone will receive a BYE into the Quarter Final of the League Cup. Division 1 will now be made up of 13 teams. As a result of this withdrawal and in line with Trelawny League 12b(ii), only one team will be relegated from Division One at the end of the season.
  11. Pulling out?

    They've been very strong in recent seasons 👌🏼
  12. Not at all. Dissent and abuse are two completely separate offences which are dealt with using two different coloured cards. Don't make the mistake of confusing the two.
  13. Please, ask my permission before you post!! I won't be able to now as the people I'd need to speak to aren't at work. I may be able to get that information though.
  14. Graham, I'm just going to correct you paragraph by paragraph if you don't mind. 1. The Laws of the Game allow the freedom of National FA's to decide what cautionable offences can be used, so long as there is consultation with IFAB, the lawmakers. The National FA's have seen dissent as the biggest issue at our level, which it is. 25% of the 165,000 cautions dished out by referees last season were for dissent alone. That's massive!! 2. One booking and one sin bin, you are not off. You continue to play a part in the game. Also, the Cornwall FA will make absolutely no money from the players that get sin binned. Unlike a caution, there is no £10 administration fee with a temporary dismissal (TD). It is my understanding that the Cornwall FA made £5000 last season from dissent in our leagues... they are actually set to lose money. There is no administration charge for being issued a Temporary Dismissal or when dismissed due to two TD's. 3. Cornwall FA alone are losing over £5000 a season through this initiative. They are saving clubs and players money. 4. These are recent law changes which only came out last month. The National FA have actually acted rather fast considering their short timescale to get this out. They are doing all they can to get the message out; hence all the web-ex's and meetings which I have documented regularly on this forum, Twitter, Facebook and to every single Trelawny League club. 5. Less than 1% of those 165,000 cautions were caused by three dissent offences or more in one game. This isn't going to be difficult to manage. The referees are all receiving training. It has been made mandatory that they attend one of the meetings that are taking place. 6. I reiterate my point... The FA make absolutely no money from this whatsoever, they lose money. 7. 🙄🙄 May I suggest you come to one of our meetings so we can get the correct information across to you. Or, please feel free to private message me and I will get some of the handouts that I have sent ove to your. However, if you attend these meetings, there will be handouts given to you. All the necessary information about the scheme for the Trelawny League has been sent to every club secretary. It is up to them to disseminate this information throughout their club. If they do that and payers know what to expect, this will actually be a good thing. However, if the payers come into the game blind, not knowing what's going on, that's when things can get a bit tricky. People need to stop being so sceptical and realise that dissent has been a massive problem for years, this is a way to curb it. Used properly, I believe it will achieve that. Education is key.
  15. Pulling out?

    Why did they all leave? As skipper, did you try and get them to stay or were you one of the first to jump ship? There were a few cracks appearing towards the end of last season but I didn't expect Marazion to fold. The club have been going for years! They've been successful for years; maybe not in the sense of winning trophy after trophy, but the games I played against you and the games I've watched, and observing the recent league tables, you've always given a very good account of yourselves. I've played for a few clubs in my time but I've never seen so many mass-exoduses as I have seen in recent seasons!
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