Steve Carpenter

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  1. Quite possibly John!! These are two ways of ending up at the same point and once you get out of the recreational leagues and into the SWPL the rules may be slightly different. And of course the SWPL doesn't use Full-Time so the procedure you describe may be the only way it can be done. SCOR isn't perfect as we know but the section you refer to doesn't say you can't award the game just that you can't award goals. By using Full-Time to record walkovers it accurately reflects events as opposed to inventing a result for a game that didn't take place and then making adjustments. All of this detracts of course from the original question about accuracy which is very simply answered. If a walkover is awarded and then further points adjustments are made for the same game then the points total will be wrong.
  2. Sorry CTB but this is incorrect if you're referring to Full-Time. When a Home Walkover is awarded in FT it does a number of things to the table i.e.: 1. Awards the points to the non-defaulting team; 2. Records the game as a 'win' in the 'W' column of the non-defaulting team and a 'loss' in the defaulting teams 'L' column so the number of games 'played' will always be correct i.e includes walkovers as games played; 3. Displays the result as H-W; 4. Shows the reason for the walkover if one has been entered in the notes section and made public; 5. Gives the correct points totals for the number of wins and draws (unless there’s an asterisk which is automatically generated when a points adjustment is made for other offences). The only time a game would have to be entered in FT as a 0-0 and followed up with points adjustments would be if a game wasn't played because it had been declared 'void' as the void function doesn't do any of the above.
  3. Within a few minutes of the clubs informing either Gerald or myself Dave. We do not take postponement notifications off this forum, they must come from the club to us and it's then just a matter of how long it takes to log in and make 7 or 8 mouse clicks before Full Time is updated. I can see a couple on here already that we haven't been made aware of by the clubs.
  4. Just found the guidance notes for the 2015-16 rule changes which is when this came in and they state: Rule 8(D) Additional wording has been inserted to prevent the registration or transfer of a player being withheld where a debt has not been referred to or does not qualify (for example where it concerns a non-footballing debt) under the Football Debt Recovery System. In other words if a player owes a debt and he refuses to pay and it hasn't been referred to the CCFA you cannot stop him moving. Examples of debts qualifying under the scheme are match fees (subs), playing expenses and League costs. Monies owing for kit, equipment, Club subscriptions (signing on fees) and Club trips do NOT qualify.
  5. More correctly, Rule 8d of the Standard Code of Rules, that we are obliged to follow reads: 'A player having taken part in matches for any Club affiliated to any County Football Association shall not be allowed to join, be transferred to, or sign for a Club in the Competition without first proving to the officials of the intended Club that the player has discharged all reasonable financial liabilities to the previous Club or Clubs, and a Club official may not accept such player’s signature without first ascertaining whether such claims have been discharged to the satisfaction of the Club, or Clubs, for which the player last played. In the event that a Player could be required to pay a proportion of a debt due under The FA Football Debt Recovery System then, whether or not the debt has been referred to the relevant County FA, the Competition must not affect the player’s registration in any way or refuse to register a transfer due to that debt being outstanding. The Competition cannot refuse to register a Player for an unpaid non-footballing debt.' The bold italics part is the change that was brought in and the accompanying notes made it clear that a transfer or registration cannot be stopped if monies are owed. This has also been clarified (twice) that this was the intention. The bottom line is that if the debt is classed as a football debt and the player refuses to pay then the club should refer it to the CCFA under the Debt Recovery System. If it's not a football debt then very little can be done. The definition (and examples) of a football debt can be found in the FA Discipline Handbook available through a link on the CCFA home page.
  6. Sorry Paul but following a change introduced by the FA @2 years ago a transfer or registration cannot be refused if the player owes money to his current club. It's a poorly worded rule but the explanatory notes that came with it were very clear. Spot on with the Notice of Approach rules though. I had a club a few years back who put in 7 days to 5 clubs just to sign one player!
  7. As usual some interesting points have been raised above. As regards referee's marking I have received around half a dozen or so reports on referees marked 60 or less this season so far and these have been passed to the CCFA. I am waiting on another report from last weekend. All of these reports are filed at County and an acknowledgement should be received by the club submitting it. I'm not 100% sure on the process but I'm pretty sure that if a single report is received (depending on the content) then it is held on file. If a second report on the same official is received then the officials performance will be monitored/assessed. I would make two points. Firstly, it is not difficult to submit a report. Guidance on what to cover is on the Trelawny Full-Time site and it doesn't have to take long to write one. The one certainty is that if you don't write one when you think an officials performance warrants it then don't be surprised (and don't complain) when nothing changes. The number of marks in the 61 to 65 bracket speaks volumes and is noted in the bi-monthly marks reports. Secondly, to suggest that nothing happens as a result of reports that are submitted is simply wrong. On cautions and dismissals the system currently in place is not new and was been briefed to clubs when it was introduced. It is a matter of fact that a player is suspended 14 days after being dismissed whether you have received the paperwork or not. Clubs are required to chase any paperwork not received 7 days after a caution/dismissal and referees, as stated above, run a very real risk of being suspended themselves if they are found to have not submitted reports and some have been. For those interested, pages 8 to 20 here explain all in simple terms.