Steve Carpenter

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  1. No it's not just Cornwall sammo 66 but there is a key difference between the FA structure and county cups. The FA structure is very clear as described above and there is no Senior/Junior distinction. A team sits at whatever step the league/division it's competing in is at in the National League System or if it's below Step 7 it's in a recreational league. The cups are 'local' competitions and across the board they have huge history behind them. Which clubs/teams compete in which cup is decided by the County FA running the competitions. Every county that I looked at when I was involved in the rules revision process had a Senior Cup though it was not by any means always the top cup competition in that county. Similarly, not all counties had a Junior Cup and where they did it wasn't always the 'lowest' cup competition. There is great variation nationwide and most counties have at least 3 (Saturday) cups with many having 4. Two examples for you at each end of the spectrum. The Lincolnshire Senior Cup is played for by the top 8 teams in the county that have lights unless they have paid £5k to opt out. The first round (1/4 final) is played in July, the semi's in August and the final as mutually agreed - October this year, September last. The Lancashire Amateur Cup (Cornwall Junior Cup equivalent) is played for by all teams below Step 7.
  2. Spot on Bobjfh. Lest we forget that this rule was brought in by the FA in an effort to increase participation and it has most definitely done that both nationally and locally. Given it's success, the fact that FA had to fight very hard to be even allowed to trial it in the first place and that it's now enshrined in the FA Rules it's highly unlikely that there will be any change in the forseeable future.
  3. Corrected. If this happens all you have to do is get whoever sends the result to Full-Time to resend the correct score. The system takes the latest score submitted as the result.
  4. I don't know. I wasn't party to any of the discussions and wouldn't necessarily expect to be as it's not in my remit. I only became aware of the situation when I got home from work at about 7:15 and turned my laptop on.
  5. As stated in the Rule posted by Dave it's fixtures, not the person. So in this example LannerBoy would not count as a higher ranked player. Absolutely Dave. Unfortunately the Full-Time functionality won't allow the pages that I can see to appear on the 'public pages'. These pages when used in conjunction with the rules would almost instantly give you any given player's eligibility/classification. I get the odd query about players 'status' but it's less than one a week and even then most are just asking for confirmation of what the clubs think is the case. This was pretty much how the Duchy ran things until fairly recently. They then had an instance where one of their clubs fielded almost their entire first team in a reserve team fixture completely distorting the situation at the time. All within their rules as they stood at the time and it was only when the 'offending club' agreed to replay the game following complaints that it was resolved. They have now adopted something broadly similar to our rule. I'm sure Paul Collings will correct me if I've got anything wrong there! I think the message there is that if it can happen it will. We may like to think it won't but eventually it probably will and the likelihood is that it would be in a situation where promotion or relegation would be affected. The bottom line is that our system works very well and has done for some time now. As always, clubs are encouraged to ask the question if they are at all unsure and by that I mean ask the League NOT ask on here where you will get peoples various interpretations and stand into danger of getting it wrong.
  6. The restrictions at Rule 8c would apply to Premier Division teams Cat. 8c and or 8n would apply to teams in Divisions 1 to 4.
  7. It was discussed during the Leagues Forum held at the CCFA on 15th December last year and your committee should have had a brief on this from your representatives who attended the meeting. Everyone at the meeting seemed to be quite content with the proposed new structure (east and west) and subsequently a questionnaire was sent to all clubs by the CCFA. There will be a follow up meeting very soon. The Trelawny committee was briefed at our meeting last week by members who sit on both leagues that this was in fact raised at the Combination meeting you refer to and as a consequence our clubs have been asked for their thoughts. There have been no official discussions between the leagues about the future but there may well be and, in my view, there is nothing to be lost by having such discussions even if nothing comes of them.
  8. No decision to be made at that level Martin as there is no such thing as 'Senior Football'; you have the professional game, the National League System and the Recreational Leagues. Junior Football is the kids leagues such as the Kernow Youth League. In the eyes of the FA everything outside the National League System is at the same level so, for example, if it was the wish of the Trelawny or Duchy clubs those leagues could apply to be feeder leagues to the Peninsula League. The County FA's decide the pecking order of the recreational leagues for the purposes of their cups. Discussions on the future of the local game started before Xmas and will continue but any change would primarily have to be driven by the wishes of the member clubs. No change is imminent and I would speculate that if any restructuring does take place it's at least a couple of years away. When or if any change does happen the points you raise will clearly have to be sorted as part of the process.
  9. In the National League System (Peninsula League up to the National League) Rule 15.2 of the FA's Standardised Rules would apply. This refers out to FA guidelines which, in summary, say that in extreme weather a game can be postponed due to the condition of the field of play no earlier than the day before the match by agreement between the Club and the League Secretary. All other postponements require an inspection by a referee. In the recreational leagues (ECPL/Combination/Duchy/Trelawny) Rule 13d of the Standard Code of Rules applies. In short this states that the Local Authority or owner of the ground can say 'no game' but if they say 'yes, happy for you to play' the referee can still say no. If you have total control of your ground then it must be a referee to make the decision.
  10. Trelawny clubs aren't allowed to postpone before mid-day due to the lack of a referee because one often becomes available. It would appear that earlier postponements are permitted in the Combination and that is entirely their call. The St Keverne v TMS referee has now been re-appointed to a Trelawny fixture that didn't have one.
  11. Quite possibly John!! These are two ways of ending up at the same point and once you get out of the recreational leagues and into the SWPL the rules may be slightly different. And of course the SWPL doesn't use Full-Time so the procedure you describe may be the only way it can be done. SCOR isn't perfect as we know but the section you refer to doesn't say you can't award the game just that you can't award goals. By using Full-Time to record walkovers it accurately reflects events as opposed to inventing a result for a game that didn't take place and then making adjustments. All of this detracts of course from the original question about accuracy which is very simply answered. If a walkover is awarded and then further points adjustments are made for the same game then the points total will be wrong.
  12. Sorry CTB but this is incorrect if you're referring to Full-Time. When a Home Walkover is awarded in FT it does a number of things to the table i.e.: 1. Awards the points to the non-defaulting team; 2. Records the game as a 'win' in the 'W' column of the non-defaulting team and a 'loss' in the defaulting teams 'L' column so the number of games 'played' will always be correct i.e includes walkovers as games played; 3. Displays the result as H-W; 4. Shows the reason for the walkover if one has been entered in the notes section and made public; 5. Gives the correct points totals for the number of wins and draws (unless there’s an asterisk which is automatically generated when a points adjustment is made for other offences). The only time a game would have to be entered in FT as a 0-0 and followed up with points adjustments would be if a game wasn't played because it had been declared 'void' as the void function doesn't do any of the above.
  13. Within a few minutes of the clubs informing either Gerald or myself Dave. We do not take postponement notifications off this forum, they must come from the club to us and it's then just a matter of how long it takes to log in and make 7 or 8 mouse clicks before Full Time is updated. I can see a couple on here already that we haven't been made aware of by the clubs.
  14. Just found the guidance notes for the 2015-16 rule changes which is when this came in and they state: Rule 8(D) Additional wording has been inserted to prevent the registration or transfer of a player being withheld where a debt has not been referred to or does not qualify (for example where it concerns a non-footballing debt) under the Football Debt Recovery System. In other words if a player owes a debt and he refuses to pay and it hasn't been referred to the CCFA you cannot stop him moving. Examples of debts qualifying under the scheme are match fees (subs), playing expenses and League costs. Monies owing for kit, equipment, Club subscriptions (signing on fees) and Club trips do NOT qualify.
  15. More correctly, Rule 8d of the Standard Code of Rules, that we are obliged to follow reads: 'A player having taken part in matches for any Club affiliated to any County Football Association shall not be allowed to join, be transferred to, or sign for a Club in the Competition without first proving to the officials of the intended Club that the player has discharged all reasonable financial liabilities to the previous Club or Clubs, and a Club official may not accept such player’s signature without first ascertaining whether such claims have been discharged to the satisfaction of the Club, or Clubs, for which the player last played. In the event that a Player could be required to pay a proportion of a debt due under The FA Football Debt Recovery System then, whether or not the debt has been referred to the relevant County FA, the Competition must not affect the player’s registration in any way or refuse to register a transfer due to that debt being outstanding. The Competition cannot refuse to register a Player for an unpaid non-footballing debt.' The bold italics part is the change that was brought in and the accompanying notes made it clear that a transfer or registration cannot be stopped if monies are owed. This has also been clarified (twice) that this was the intention. The bottom line is that if the debt is classed as a football debt and the player refuses to pay then the club should refer it to the CCFA under the Debt Recovery System. If it's not a football debt then very little can be done. The definition (and examples) of a football debt can be found in the FA Discipline Handbook available through a link on the CCFA home page.